leftists-progressives there is no voter fraud but there is voter suppression

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leftists-progressives there is no voter fraud but there is voter suppression

Post by redpill on Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:52 pm

since donald trumps surprising win in nov 2016 my news feed is dominated by news about donald trump and the leftists liberal objection to election results for various reasons fbi comey to russia to hacking.

one common claim is this voter suppression

here is one progressive claiming

Voter Suppression Works Too Well

The Republicans’ quest for a permanent political majority culminated in mammoth voter suppression in 2016. The 2018 midterm election promises both to embolden these efforts and energize resistance.
Gabrielle Gurley
January 11, 2017


entire article here

http://prospect.org/article/voter-suppression-works-too-well



the claim progressives are making is donald trump won because of voter suppression.

they claim there is no evidence of voter fraud

but they claim there is voter suppression.



VOTER SUPPRESSION is a long-standing tactic. However, victory was not enough for Donald Trump and his allies. They continue to hammer home the fiction that millions of people voted illegally, statements for which there is no evidence, in a country where voter fraud is practically nonexistent.

one evidence they claim is of voter suppression is requiring a voter photo id law, which prevents poor, minority and students from voting, presumably for progressive and democrat causes.

recall that obama won in 2008 and 2012. were there any leftists liberal progressives claiming obama won due to "voter suppression"? when a political progressive activist or democrat wins, are there any claims of voter suppression?

the author claims that only republicans are engaging in voter suppression and it only benefits republicans.

claims that having a photo id is an example of voter suppression.



VOTER SUPPRESSION is a long-standing tactic. However, victory was not enough for Donald Trump and his allies. They continue to hammer home the fiction that millions of people voted illegally, statements for which there is no evidence, in a country where voter fraud is practically nonexistent.

regarding "no evidence of voter fraud"

Half of Detroit votes may be ineligible for recount - Detroit News
www.detroitnews.com/story/news/.../recount-unrecountable/95007392/
Dec 5, 2016 - Half of Detroit votes may be ineligible for recount. One-third of precincts in Wayne County could be disqualified from an unprecedented statewide recount of presidential election results because of problems with ballots.

the recount effort in michigan provided clear cut evidence of voter fraud, mostly in democrat leaning districts i.e black.


Records: Too many votes in 37% of Detroit's precincts - Detroit News
www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/...votes.../95363314/
Dec 12, 2016 - Voting machines in more than one-third of all Detroit precincts registered ... for an audit by Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson's office, Elections ... during the recount had fewer ballots than poll workers had recorded on Election Day. ... elections workers “followed the correct procedures” or “fraudulent ...

these facts are undisputed. these facts provide evidence of voter fraud. the only reason this came up was during the recount they found more votes than there were voters, and on a scale of 37%

the fact the author claims this despite the facts shows the author has an agenda.

if there really is no voter fraud as the author claims, then why oppose voter photo ID laws which is designed to prevent fraud?

the author explains why

In states like North Carolina and Texas, which has a very strict voter-ID law, restrictive measures presage what Americans can expect in the run-up to the 2018 midterms. According to the narrative of voter suppression, additional regulations that make it easier to confirm a person’s identity and citizenship are needed to combat fraud. The tactics used to ferret out alleged fraud almost exclusively affect minority groups, the young, and the elderly.

typical leftists speak about "narrative"

when you say alleged fraud, what about what was found to be factually true in Michigan?

As long as the requirements to obtain a photo id, say a driver's license is applied equally to everyone, how is ti in any way unethical?

you need a photo id to buy alcohol and cigarettes

Regulations like photo identification are supposedly designed to prevent people from impersonating other voters, despite the fact that practically no one impersonates another person with the intent to vote in the United States.

again how do you know this? only with photo identification can this issue be settled.

people do impersonate others from credit cards to buying alcohol to taking someone else's SAT/ACT scores.

the author claims there is no examples of this, but provides no evidence of this.

i think it takes a special kind of fanatical partisan to claim there is no voter fraud which requires photo identification, but there is voter suppression.

for this nutcase photo identification = voter suppression, and is now a civil rights issue. to vote, one should not be required to offer a photo ID.

the fundamental premise is there is no evidence of voter fraud is factually untrue, so everything else she says is crap.

is requiring a photo id to buy alcohol, tobacco, verification of a credit card or SAT/ACT test a civil rights violation?

in addition to photo ID, i favor finger printing every voter. reason 1- to prevent voter fraud, one finger print one vote. reason 2- if the fingerprint is connected to a crime scene, perhaps that might solve a crime.

how many murderers and other criminals will think twice about voting if they are fingerprinted?
i'm talking digital fingerprinting

if another nation say australia canada UK required voters to provide proof of identification such as a photo ID, and getting a photo ID is same for everyone, would that nation be engaged in voter suppression?




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