I conjecture Mr. Cruel removed JonBenet Ramsey from the home, and returned her

Where exactly was JonBenet Ramsey murdered in the home? Steve Thomas thinks it was the bathroom. The CBS documentary suggests it happened in the kitchen, after Jonbenet stole Burke's pineapple, Burke took a flashlight and struck her head. Others have speculated it happened in the bedroom or basement. The ransom note was part of the staging of the crime scene.

The scientific evidence and expert witness testimony establish, on scientific forensic grounds, Jonbenet was killed by an intruder.

One example of a home invading intruder for young girls is Mr. Cruel

this is Mr Cruel






this is Jonbenet Ramsey


pictures of Jonbenet



this is a known Mr Cruel victim  Karmein Chan




I have proposed Mr. Cruel as her killer. Mr Cruel flew in from Melbourne Australia to Boulder Colorado to ski, then learned of Jonbenet and decided to pay her a visit.

Suppose Mr. Cruel really did murder Jonbenet Ramsey, where did Mr. Cruel murder Jonbenet in the home?


kinda trick question.

he didn't.

at least not inside the Ramsey home.

Based on Mr. Cruel's previous crimes, Mr. Cruel abducted Jonbenet from her bedroom. There is forensic evidence of this in the form of nylon fiber on her bedsheet that match the nylon cord that she was found wrapped around her neck. There was also a butt impression on the carpet outside her bedroom door.

Mr. Cruel then bound and gagged Jonbenet. He then removed her entirely from the Ramsey home. He left a ransom note at the stairs, he had previously written while the Ramseys were away at the White party.

He left it there as a kind of trip wire, to see if the Ramsey's wake up and notice Jonbenet was missing and call the police.

He then takes Jonbenet alive to a waiting car and drives to another location.

In this location, possibly a hotel room, or a rented van, he sexually assaults and photographs Jonbenet

Here, Jonbenet acquires multiple types of source evidence, fibers, animal hair, DNA which was transferred to her at this location. Mr. Cruel then kills Jonbenet at this location, outside the home.

He then returns to the Ramsey home. He sees the ransom note undisturbed. He knows the Ramseys are still sleeping. He then reenters the house and returns Jonbenet's lifeless, now dead body into the basement, and then stages the scene and then leaves.

He then returns to Melbourne Australia.

The evidence is in the form of unidentified trace evidence unsourced to the Ramsey home found on Jonbenet's body.

The ransom note isn't staging it was written as a trip wire for Mr Cruel, whose intention was to return Jonbenet to the crime scene.

It is certainly plausible because Mr. Cruel would have had ample time while the Ramseys were sound asleep. This is the second mentioning of the butt print I have read. It puts things in a different light. No evidence of intruder, indeed. Not to mention that is what he did with his other victims.

MurderMysteryReader wrote:It is certainly plausible because Mr. Cruel would have had ample time while the Ramseys were sound asleep. This is the second mentioning of the butt print I have read. It puts things in a different light. No evidence of intruder, indeed. Not to mention that is what he did with his other victims.

Mr Cruel's contingency planning is if the Ramseys did wake up, they would read the ransom note and call police and turn on the house lights and he would dispose of the body somewhere outside the home, but his preference is to dispose of it inside the home and then fly back to Melbourne Australia, to implicate the Ramsey's.

Jonbenet had 2 ligature marks on her neck suggestive she was hanging. hard to imagine this would happen inside the Ramseys, either by the R's or an intruder.

I now see the Ramsey RN in a new light. It makes sense that Mr. Cruel would use it that way. There has been discussion before about JonBenet possibly being hung. A poster posted that in the room where JonBenet's body was found there is a pipe in the ceiling that might have held her weight. Also that she was left hanging but was cut down and laid on the floor. Of course Mr. Cruel could have killed JonBenet by hanging her. I wonder if the nylon cord would have worked that way or if something else was used.

MurderMysteryReader wrote:I now see the Ramsey RN in a new light. It makes sense that Mr. Cruel would use it that way. There has been discussion before about JonBenet possibly being hung. A poster posted that in the room where JonBenet's body was found there is a pipe in the ceiling that might have held her weight. Also that she was left hanging but was cut down and laid on the floor. Of course Mr. Cruel could have killed JonBenet by hanging her. I wonder if the nylon cord would have worked that way or if something else was used.

recall also in Melbourne Mr Cruel said payback asian drug dealer more and more to come and and made ransom demands to the families in the house, including nicola lynas sister who was tied up

jonbenet could be hung inside the ramsey home or in my proposal taken to another location, a motel close proximity to Ramsey home with a clear view of the home, and hung there.

the forensic experts said she was strangled first and then struck in teh head.

good question about whether nylon cord was used, part the answer is to biopsy the skin for fiber. if only cord fibers then nylon most likely was used.

if other types of fibers, esp fibers sourced to something like a scarf, then perhaps she was hung with something first then replaced with nylon cord.

I remember that. You're right she could have been hung anywhere. That makes for interesting thought. I hope her body was checked for the presence of those kind of fibers. Yes it was strangulation first and then struck on the head. That is what was so wrong with the CBS documentary when they said the head blow came before strangulation. Henry Lee etc Kolar included didn't follow forensic science when they said that.

MurderMysteryReader wrote:I remember that. You're right she could have been hung anywhere. That makes for interesting thought. I hope her body was checked for the presence of those kind of fibers. Yes it was strangulation first and then struck on the head. That is what was so wrong with the CBS documentary when they said the head blow came before strangulation. Henry Lee etc Kolar included didn't follow forensic science when they said that.

well the head blow first was bc of their pet theory. it would be difficult to see why the R's would strangle Jonbenet unprovoked, but its easy to see how a head bash could be done impulsively.

yeah i think lou smit said she was hung twice, but i'm not sure if that includes a medical expert or if it is his own theory.
obviously a medical expert would be preferred.

the time frame i am thinking mr cruel followed is jonbenet and ramseys are asleep by 12am, mr cruel abducts her has her for 2-3 hours, photographs, then returns her around 3-4am in the morning and leaves. allowing maybe 15-30 minutes of travel if he left the house then returned.

ideal way to test this is to drive to nearby motels to see how long it would take. or perhaps it was a neighbor.