Abigail Williams and Liberty German JonBenet Ramsey and RDI claims about an intruder killer

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Abigail Williams and Liberty German JonBenet Ramsey and RDI claims about an intruder killer

Post by redpill on Fri Apr 06, 2018 10:03 pm

I'm thinking of the murder of Abigail Williams and Liberty German



by this killer



and i wonder

what was the motive, why did the killer murder Abigail Williams and Liberty German ?

Who is this guy and how come he's not been identified?

Why didn't he remove the bodies after he killed them? they may have incriminating evidence

Why didn't he remove iphone of Liberty German which has his photos and his voice? down the hill was one recorded message

now, by failing to remove the iphone of Liberty German , the whole world knows what the perp looks like and what his voice sounds like
he is FBI wanted and there's a $250, 0000 reward for him and countless sleuthers trying to uncover his identity

why why why?

then i realize, i've heard these questions before now i remember





over at websleuths posters have claimed

detective pinkie wrote:
Hold yourself to the same standards - explain why an intruder would leave a body and a note, simply and believably

tawny wrote:
the fail in logic is astounding.

This is an example of NO IDI explanation. Why would an intruder hide her body? Seriously, please answer that for me. Why would an intruder hide her body rather than take her with them and dump her, or leave her where she was? Did an intruder seriously believe she would NEVER EVER be found inside the house?

Serious question: Why would an intruder hide her body in a dark room in a basement?


If he wanted to ensure it was found, why hide it? If he had to bug out, not taking the kidnapped-turned-murdered with him, why did he leave the note?

Delay discovery to what end? If he were bugging out, why would he care when, where, and how she's found?

It makes zero logical sense.


ukguy wrote:
Mama2JML,
Why does an intruder need to bother with a RN at all, all that sitting around authoring a RN, increases the risk of being caught.

No JonBenet in the house tells its own story, when followed up with a ransom phone call, no RN is required.

There is no IDI explanation forthcoming as to why the said intruder did not remove JonBenet from the house, which is just as inconsistent as any staged kidnapping leaving JonBenet in the house!

Intruder plan of action: Enter Ramsey household remove JonBenet, dead or alive, relocate to the boot of awaiting car, then simply drive away. Next day phone ransom demands. Total time to execute less than fifteen minutes!


nimyat of reddit wrote:
There is absolutely 0 reason to start to write a draft ransom note and then write the real thing and make it that ridiculously long.

If it was a premeditated kidnapping, ('hid in the house' theory) why the fuck wouldn't you bring a ransome note with you and why the hell would you start to draft one and then write one on paper found in the house.

If it was a burglary turned kidnapping, why would you start to draft a ransom note, and then write the real thing 4 pages long? You would scribble something like "I've taken your daughter, dont contact police, deposit money at this location at this time if you want to see her again." A panicked burglar does not sit and start writing about his 'organisation'.

A lot of people get bogged down in the details of the case, because it is a fascinating one and it is very interesting, but the ransom note is the most ridiculous thing ever and was totally written by one of the family in my opinion. They also completely over thought it - mentioning the fathers business, his bonus, writing 4 pages worth etc.

There's no way the family wasn't involved. As for which one did it, that is what is hard to prove.

docg makes a similar claim
docg wrote:

Questions

An intruder intending to express his anger or disdain for the Ramseys would have had no reason to write a meaningless ransom note. A kidnapper would not have left both the note and the body. If the parents were involved in this together, as so many assume, such a note might serve to throw the police off the track, but only if the body were found, days later, in some remote area. Or never found. With the body hidden in the house, where it is sure to be discovered, the note only creates problems for the Ramseys, the only ones who could "logically" have written it. If they were not planning on getting the body out of the house before the police came, then why would they write an obviously phony note?

Also, why was the note hand printed? Why not print it via computer? Or paste words together from newspapers? If the parents, or anyone at all close to the family, wrote it, they would be risking exposure for sure.

Answers

No intruder would have had anything to gain by writing the ransom note. No intruder would have any reason to write it. A kidnapper would have taken the child (or her body) with him. If something had gone wrong with his plan, he would have had no reason to leave a possibly incriminating note. Someone intending to frame John or Patsy would not have written the note in his own hand, as that would be evidence of an intruder. The conclusion is simple: there was no kidnapper. There was no intruder. The note must have been written by someone on the inside -- and it does indeed read like a staged kidnapping attempt.

tawny wrote:
the fail in logic is astounding.

This is an example of NO IDI explanation. Why would an intruder hide her body? Seriously, please answer that for me. Why would an intruder hide her body rather than take her with them and dump her, or leave her where she was? Did an intruder seriously believe she would NEVER EVER be found inside the house?

Serious question: Why would an intruder hide her body in a dark room in a basement?


Tricia Griffith claims that posters who have zero forensic qualifications have shown an intruder did not commit this crime and the above are some examples.

how do those objections compare to the crime below?







what was the motive, why did the killer murder Abigail Williams and Liberty German ?

Who is this guy and how come he's not been identified?

Why didn't he remove the bodies after he killed them? they may have incriminating evidence

Why didn't he remove iphone of Liberty German which has his photos and his voice? down the hill was one recorded message

now, by failing to remove the iphone of Liberty German , the whole world knows what the perp looks like and what his voice sounds like
he is FBI wanted and there's a $250, 0000 reward for him and countless sleuthers trying to uncover his identity

why why why?


but it doesn't change the fact that Abigail Williams and Liberty German were murdered by that perp

even though their killer could have made any number of choices.

similarly, to rule out an intruder as Jonbenet's killer because he didn't make certain choices is simply absurd

those RDI posters are stupid people.

it would be equivalent to saying Abigail Williams and Liberty German were not murdered, in fact they're still alive
or their were murdered by the parents, yeah that's it.
because their killer made decisions like failing to remove an iphone that has his photos and his voice, which is absurd.

therefore Abigail Williams and Liberty German parents did it. they then left that iphone there with pictures of some guy
and disguised their voices.


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