philosophical friday with redpill Allison Mack & cults

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philosophical friday with redpill Allison Mack & cults

Post by redpill on Fri May 04, 2018 8:34 pm

its friday

time for philosophical friday with redpill

in the news is Smallville" actress Allison Mack

she's accused of being involved in some sort of sex cult. i'm reading the news reports and i can't make much sense of it.
but wow!

how did she get involved in this?

i'm looking at her and i'm thinking, wow i wish i could start a cult. i could be jesus and she could be mary magdalene
it blows my mind that she joined a cult her. and she help recruit women for the cult leader for sex. according to the news.

of course in 2018 cults have a bad name. in my life time, I witness Jim Jones cult, heaven's gate, Waco David Koresh, scientology, and on youtube and 60 minutes strong city cult and another cult in minnesota

cults ending in mass suicides, reports of sexual misconduct, exploiting the masses for money, i.e Scientology

i did participate in a teen evangelical youth group back in the day, my bible study teacher from moody bible institute and dallas theological seminary also warn

jehovah witness, islam, mormons, chiristian scientists, swedenborg new church, moonies, roman Catholicism are all also cults.

youtube has several more cults, including siberian russian jesus and aussie jesus david miller, and strong city jesus wayne bent

one book my bible study teacher told me to read was walter martin's the kingdom of the cults, where walter martin, who has since died, calls every religion other than his own a cult, with judaism being the major omission. religions older than christianity, hinduism and buddhism are also called cults.

what they do is discuss some of the worse scenarios of cults, such as jim jones mass suicide on kool aid and heaven's gate, and then infer all religions other than the true religion of christian fundamentalism are cults, inspired by satan of course

for them the standard is the literal inerrant truth of the bible.

my bible teacher was also anti-evolution, darwin is false, it takes more faith to believe in evolution than creationism, we are living in the end times and the rapture is near.

but yeah for me evangelicalism seems like "normal" for me, it's everyone else that's screwed up. by normal, no drugs, no heavy alcohol use, no sex outside marriage, virginity till marriage, heterosexuality, no tat's or piercings, prolife, for me that's like normal. the drug addicts, porn stars, swingers, heavy tats and piercings, homosexuals and proaborts are not what i am familiar with.


i've long wondered how cult leaders attract followers, esp in 2018.

i can understand that in the early 19th century joseph smith claimed he could read egyptian heiroglyphs, he claimed he could decipher them, then told a whopper of a tale that they contain the secrets of joseph in his meeting in egypt

new york in this time was actually christian, and joseph smith attracted followers.

today in 2018 a modern day joseph smith in new york wouldn't attract anyone. world has changed.

if joseph smith in 2018 claimed to new yorkers he saw some angels and golden plates i doubt he'd get any traction.

i've seen some of these documentaries and i really don't understand how these cult leaders find followers.

one question i've wondered about is why is it mormonism is a huge religion, but swedenborg and the new church hasn't had much traction, though i happen to used to live by one

at least part of that answer is that mormons and jehovah witness go literally door to door to attract new followers.

i'm writing this in 2018 and esp because of the historical records of people involved in cults committing mass suicide a lot of people are highly skeptical. scientology has a reputation of wanting money.

one thing i felt growing up is that when i watch kung fu martial arts movies, those martial artist seem to actually be "wise" and say cool stuff

this is kung fu



they say cool stuff.

whereas walter martin of dallas theological seminary and moody bible instiute talks about how the bible surpasses all the wisdom of the world,

when i open the bible, i read 1 Samuel 15 niv

1 Samuel 15 New International Version (NIV)
The Lord Rejects Saul as King

15 Samuel said to Saul, “I am the one the Lord sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the Lord. 2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

4 So Saul summoned the men and mustered them at Telaim—two hundred thousand foot soldiers and ten thousand from Judah. 5 Saul went to the city of Amalek and set an ambush in the ravine. 6 Then he said to the Kenites, “Go away, leave the Amalekites so that I do not destroy you along with them; for you showed kindness to all the Israelites when they came up out of Egypt.” So the Kenites moved away from the Amalekites.

7 Then Saul attacked the Amalekites all the way from Havilah to Shur, near the eastern border of Egypt. 8 He took Agag king of the Amalekites alive, and all his people he totally destroyed with the sword. 9 But Saul and the army spared Agag and the best of the sheep and cattle, the fat calves[b] and lambs—everything that was good. These they were unwilling to destroy completely, but everything that was despised and weak they totally destroyed.

10 Then the word of the Lord came to Samuel: 11 “I regret that I have made Saul king, because he has turned away from me and has not carried out my instructions.” Samuel was angry, and he cried out to the Lord all that night.

12 Early in the morning Samuel got up and went to meet Saul, but he was told, “Saul has gone to Carmel. There he has set up a monument in his own honor and has turned and gone on down to Gilgal.”

13 When Samuel reached him, Saul said, “The Lord bless you! I have carried out the Lord’s instructions.”

14 But Samuel said, “What then is this bleating of sheep in my ears? What is this lowing of cattle that I hear?”

15 Saul answered, “The soldiers brought them from the Amalekites; they spared the best of the sheep and cattle to sacrifice to the Lord your God, but we totally destroyed the rest.”

16 “Enough!” Samuel said to Saul. “Let me tell you what the Lord said to me last night.”

“Tell me,” Saul replied.

17 Samuel said, “Although you were once small in your own eyes, did you not become the head of the tribes of Israel? The Lord anointed you king over Israel. 18 And he sent you on a mission, saying, ‘Go and completely destroy those wicked people, the Amalekites; wage war against them until you have wiped them out.’ 19 Why did you not obey the Lord? Why did you pounce on the plunder and do evil in the eyes of the Lord?”

20 “But I did obey the Lord,” Saul said. “I went on the mission the Lord assigned me. I completely destroyed the Amalekites and brought back Agag their king. 21 The soldiers took sheep and cattle from the plunder, the best of what was devoted to God, in order to sacrifice them to the Lord your God at Gilgal.”

22 But Samuel replied:

“Does the Lord delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices
   as much as in obeying the Lord?
To obey is better than sacrifice,
   and to heed is better than the fat of rams.
For rebellion is like the sin of divination,
   and arrogance like the evil of idolatry.
Because you have rejected the word of the Lord,
   he has rejected you as king.”

24 Then Saul said to Samuel, “I have sinned. I violated the Lord’s command and your instructions. I was afraid of the men and so I gave in to them. 25 Now I beg you, forgive my sin and come back with me, so that I may worship the Lord.”

26 But Samuel said to him, “I will not go back with you. You have rejected the word of the Lord, and the Lord has rejected you as king over Israel!”

27 As Samuel turned to leave, Saul caught hold of the hem of his robe, and it tore. 28 Samuel said to him, “The Lord has torn the kingdom of Israel from you today and has given it to one of your neighbors—to one better than you. 29 He who is the Glory of Israel does not lie or change his mind; for he is not a human being, that he should change his mind.”

30 Saul replied, “I have sinned. But please honor me before the elders of my people and before Israel; come back with me, so that I may worship the Lord your God.” 31 So Samuel went back with Saul, and Saul worshiped the Lord.

32 Then Samuel said, “Bring me Agag king of the Amalekites.”

Agag came to him in chains.[c] And he thought, “Surely the bitterness of death is past.”

33 But Samuel said,

“As your sword has made women childless,
   so will your mother be childless among women.”

And Samuel put Agag to death before the Lord at Gilgal.

34 Then Samuel left for Ramah, but Saul went up to his home in Gibeah of Saul. 35 Until the day Samuel died, he did not go to see Saul again, though Samuel mourned for him. And the Lord regretted that he had made Saul king over Israel.

walter martin calls other religions and other texts false, and the bible is source of true wisdom.

i agree with atheist marshall brain of godisimaginary and whydoesntgodhealamputees

the bible is b.s and christians like walter martin are delusional.

christian fundamentalism is in itself a cult.

i do think religiosity is an orientation like homosexuality. some people have a religious orientation, others not so much.

someone with a religious orientation and raised catholic will believe catholicism is the one true religion, others raised evangelical or mormon or jehoavh witness or islam will believe that religion is the one true religion and other religions are of the devil.

totally unthinkable to an atheist with an atheist orientation, but for the religious orientation it seems normal to them

albert einstein described himself as a religious orientation, as did isaac newton. kurt godel said he was deeply religious and even John von Neumann said he's religious. thanks to ancient aliens, i learned  one of the greatest mathematical genius of all time, srinivassa ramanujan was religious, in his case, hinduism

anna kramarick parents were atheists and intended to raise their daugher as an atheist, but starting at age 3, she said she saw jesus and has visions of jesus and god and she is a self taughter painter as seen on oprah. shes still religious. on the other side ronald regan had a son who was raised christian but he said from an early age he didn't believe it and is an atheist. so i think religiousity and atheism is also partly genetic.

i'm writing this in 2018 and i think any opportunity to create a new religion in the west is over. religion isn't that important to most people, and for those that it is, they already have selected a choice like mainstream christianity or judaism or new age
i do know aj miller has a following in australia as he claims to be jesus.

Allison Mack though surprises me. apparently it was some sort of sex cult, somehow she recruits women to have sex with her guru.

sounds kinda like a nice arrangement for the guru. i'm still reading this and well  affraid

if i could somehow convince my followers to start a new cult, obviously i would have to be the cult leader,  
as a cult leader though, i would create a new Scripture

instead of the bible, believers would raise their children to read my hand picked texts that are very best the world religions have to offer.

i would  claim the god of jesus is not the god of the jews then throw out the entire old testament, like marcion. unlike marcion, i would claim that the god of christ did create the world, and state this god of love revealed himself in the most excellent writings in religious text. unlike marcion i would hold jesus was a buddha, an enlighten and literally include buddhist teachings, some of the handpicked excellenet ideas, and buddhist statutes and buddhist spiritual practices such as meditation, along with zen. so my church would have an idol to christ and an idol to buddha with a taoist symbol.

something like this

like marcion i spurn all things old testament and all things jewish. most of the material in the new testament addresses jewish concerns like kosher and circumcision, i would edit the new testament and remove all of it. i'm burning it all down. i would, like marcion teach jesus is not the jewish messiah, he is a buddha.

marshall brain the atheist points out the bible is pure nonsense and i agree, but what i would do is only include text that is fun and exciting to read.

i am thinking of creating one bible for children, where it includes stories for children like charles dickens christmas carol, aesop's fables and christmas and easter stories, and navitty stories as canon.

i would have my followers teach their children charles dickens christmas carol, not what christians and jews teach their children

Moses and the Midianites

Numbers 31:7-18

They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man. Among their victims were Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur and Reba - the five kings of Midian. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps. They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals, and brought the captives, spoils and plunder to Moses and Eleazar the priest and the Israelite assembly at their camp on the plains of Moab, by the Jordan across from Jericho.

Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp. Moses was angry with the officers of the army - the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds - who returned from the battle.

"Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. "They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."  

Jew faigy mayer

In a letter to her friend Yangbo Du reprinted by the Daily Mail, Mayer described aspects of religious law such as kashrut and Shabbat prohibitions as “bullshit” and complained of the minimal secular education and limited horizons available to those who grew up as she did.

“I feel as though hassidic Judaism shouldn’t exist at all,” she wrote.

“My three nephews are being raised in a very strict hassidic Jewish environment.

It isn’t fair to them that they have to live their lives the way they do. The most fun they have is to color with crayons.”

She complained about bans on Internet access and other similar restrictions imposed on members of the more insular Jewish groups, explaining that even though she thought that “right now the rabbis are winning,” the need to access the Internet would eventually break down walls between the ultra-Orthodox and the wider world.

“If people were allowed to think, they would not be religious,” she wrote. “Thinking analytically when it comes to basic life decisions is something new to me and something I still struggle with, five years after leaving.”

was pissed that she had to read Torah and was angry and committed suicide. i'd be pissed to. i was told these people are so wicked god had no choice to wipe them out. god hates amaleks canaanites philistines idolators and abortion is a sacrifice to molech. faigy mayer blamed judaism and then committed suicide.  i agree with dan barker and freedom from religion that forcing young children to read the bible as the word of god is child abuse.

whether indoctrinating religion to young children to read christian mystic simone weil

simone weil wrote:
To be rooted is perhaps the most important and least recognized need of the human soul.

“Attention is the rarest and purest form of generosity.

Pain and suffering are a kind of currency passed from hand to hand until they reach someone who receives them but does not pass them on.

or christian mystic  thomas merton

Art enables us to find ourselves and lose ourselves at the same time.

Love is our true destiny. We do not find the meaning of life by ourselves alone - we find it with another.

Happiness is not a matter of intensity but of balance, order, rhythm and harmony.

or christian mystic  Kahlil Gibran

life without love is like a tree without blossoms or fruit. Friendship is always a sweet responsibility, never an opportunity. For life and death are one, even as the river and the sea are one. Trust in dreams, for in them is hidden the gate to eternity.

is harmful i'm not so convinced. young children in my religion with me as their cult leader/guru would have a jesus camp like experience, where instead of honoring the old testament, they'd be honoring thomas merton, simeone weil, blaise pascal, Kahlil Gibran soren kierkegaard neoplatonist plotinus, the gospel of thomas, and other greatest spiritual thinkers of the christian tradition

second collection of scriptures incorporate other texts like taoism and zen, and the very best christian mystical writings, from pascal to simone weil to thomas merton, kierkegaard, gnostic texts like gospel of truth and gospel of thomas, neoplatonist writings of plotinus for adults. swedenborg. meister echkart, john of the cross, teresa of avila, everlyn underhill

the way i would reply to atheist marshall brain is to only present the very best writings in variety of mystical traditions, sufi, neoplatonist, taoist zen, plus existentialist writings, Kierkegaard Tilich, Dostoevsky,  with emphasis of real life as it is actually lived in modern world

i agree with dan barker freedom from religion and marshall brain why doesnt god heal amputees the bible is bs that the old testament god is the most unpleasant character in all fiction, but i do think if you reject the entire old testament, jews and judaism, rewrite the new testament along gospel of thomas  , then hand pick, hand select the very best writings of simone weil, thomas merton,  Khalil Gibram pascal, zen koans, Paul Tilich, rumi and present that as the word of "god" it could be beneficial to the soul. with a concept of god rooted in taosim, zen, sufism and neoplatonism

fortunately for atheists and christians,  i've got no idea how to start a cult lol  cults and cult leaders have a very bad reputation in 2018 and i don't believe its possible in 2018  affraid

there's also copyright issues, NIV being my fav bible translation, and doing what marcion did, in editing the new testament, removing all jewish references is an immense amount of time and work, which i can't spare. No

i agree with what atheist marshall brain and dan barker say about the bible, esp the old testament, with emphasis that it is thousands of pages of pure nonsense. but i think that teaching a hand picked hand selected collection of writings from the very best spiritual thinkers of the christian, sufi, tao zen buddhist neoplatonist and existentialist thinkers could be beneficial if done right. and the idea that the god of jesus is not the same god as the god of the jews and rejecting the entire old testament has been done before in marcion and the gnostics

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