the redpilling of RDI david hughes RDI denialist "there is no evidence of an intruder" refuted

Sun Feb 03, 2019

searchinGirl wrote:I’m watching and waiting. I think a grave injustice has occurred in the JBR case. I think mostly the media is the cause. I find most RDI opinions as mean spirited and don’t understand why this rolling discussion goes on and on without resolution.

i agree, with this in mind,




trasha pictured below is an example of an anti-science denialist




this is what she claims

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?76520-Patsy-Ramsey/page92

tricia griffith wrote:
Anti-K, this whole forum has example after example after example that an intruder did not commit this crime.

No one can show one scintilla of evidence of an intruder.

As owner, I do my best to stay out of actual discussions about a crime.

The JBR case is the one expection.

Websleuths is a leader in true crime information as well as discussion. People come here to get information. It is imperative we deal with the facts. Not fantasy.

All I ask for are facts and a logical connecting of the dots. Logic and facts.

When I get time I will be going through the forum to make sure the JonBenet Ramsey forum is being held up to the high standards just like all our other forums on Websleuths.

The days of allowing anyone to post anything because it's part of their "theory" are gone. Facts and logic. Very simple.

this is her qualifications

Host Tricia Griffith is a veteran radio disc jockey and owner of Websleuths.com and owner of Forums for Justice.org.

in other words she has ZERO qualifications in forensic science. she has no training in forensic fiber, trace evidence, DNA yet she claims

tricia griffith wrote:
Anti-K, this whole forum has example after example after example that an intruder did not commit this crime.

No one can show one scintilla of evidence of an intruder.

are cotton fibers and 2 beer cans found in the ally a scintilla of evidence of an intruder?

similarly with Delmar England

delmar england wrote:
Letter to Boulder Colorado District Attorney, Mary Keenan

The crime scene consisted of an obviously bogus multi-page "ransom note" utilizing local materials. JonBenet's body was left in the basement of the Ramsey home with crude trappings falling woefully short of presenting a convincing kidnap\murder scene as it was intended to do. Even without pointing out more of a very long list of corroborating facts, the bogus note and inept staging is more than sufficient to isolate the perpetrators to the Ramsey household. Only a few minutes in examining and evaluating the evidence is required to reach this conclusion. It is impossible to reach any other conclusion on the facts. There was and is no evidentiary reason to look anywhere else. The only mystery to be solved was and is which Ramsey did what in relation to JonBenet's death.

Although it is not possible to reach any other conclusion from the evidence, it is possible to ignore the evidence and mentally invent "evidence" to take the place of truth and keep it hidden. Prompted by preconceived notions set in a context of money and political influence in conjunction with investigative cowardice and incompetence, this is precisely what has been going on for over six years.

delmar wrote:
Handwriting? Patsy has not been ruled out by several examiners. By my own analysis, not of the writing, but of the mind match between the note and Patsy is clear. This is explained in my analysis of the "ransom note." So far, neither you nor anyone else has quoted and challenged it. So, to say the handwriting does not match the Ramseys, thus all Ramseys are excluded as author, is just another arbitrary declaration without substance. Note the exclusion of Ramseys necessarily depends on the intruder idea of no factual substance.

DNA? So, it does not match the family. So what? Who does it match? Unknown? If unknown, how can it be known to connect to the crime and be "evidence?" If the source of this DNA were known, then factually connected to the crime scene, then it is evidence. Absence this, it is just more speculation that caters to intruder mental creation.

Does the DNA have to be connected to the crime? Could it not be from a benign source totally removed from the crime scene? Again, the alleged evidence evidences nothing except itself with no known connection to the crime. No outsider as perpetrator is required to explain the DNA since no connection is known as crime related.

The same is true for boot print, hairs, fibers, etc.. A close look into anyone's house would most likely turn up all sorts of things whose source were unknown whether there is a crime or not. To call something whose source and cause is unknown as evidence is to say it causal related while simultaneously saying cause is unknown, thus relationship unknown; more "negative evidence." If my recollection of high school Latin is correct, this could be called "ignotium per ignotius", the unknown by the more unknown.

This "Ramsey defense" "thinking" is a direct and absurd contradiction that is without limit. With this kind of "investigative latitude", I dare say that one could "prove" anything; or at least, convince the deluded self that he or she has done so. "negative evidence?" Surely, thou jest. I repeat: All known evidence is local.

delmar england wrote:
For every "could be", there is a "could be not", therefore, inconclusive until cause is known. Right? No thing is evidence until evidentiary cause is known. Right? Are we in agreement so far? If not, please point out what you think is my error in thinking, and why you think it is error.

A shoe print is found in the basement whose cause is unknown. It "could be" evidence of an intruder. "Could be not" is forgotten and "evidence" of an intruder is declared to be fact. There is a palm print with cause unknown; a rope with source unknown that "could be" something brought in by an intruder; an unidentified fiber, a baseball bat that "could have" been used by the intruder; a bit of dirt or leaves at a window well which "could have" been disturbed by an intruder. The list goes on and on and on.

This massive "evidence" stated to be more consistent with a theory of intruder than Ramsey guilt is hot air, nothing more than a string of unknowns verbally laced together on "could be", simultaneously divorced from the known, and declared to be much evidence of an intruder. Ridiculous to the max. No wonder no one will step forward and answer questions about alleged evidence of an alleged intruder. Its indefensible.

The beauty of truth is that it is consistent. Every fact is a complement of and blends with every other fact without contradiction. The presence of a contradiction is also the presence of error. Are we in agreement up to this point?

this is David Hughes, my sith apprentice



i once told him,

if you strike me down i shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

of course he struck me down he got me banned at crimeshots lol.


so RDI, with no background in forensic science, is claiming there is no evidence of an intruder, including david hughes who i knew as superdave

this is what has happened to him since

David J. Hughes implied in his book six-year-old Ramsey enjoyed the attack.

In a spectacular new twist in the JonBenét Ramsey Opens a New Window. case, a sicko obsessed with the slain pageant princess has been busted for allegedly sexually assaulting a child, RadarOnline.com learned exclusively!

Now the arrest of David J. Hughes — a JonBenét blogger who wrote a book Opens a New Window. about her murder implying the six-year-old enjoyed the attack — could hold the key to finding her killer!

Vermont authorities charged Hughes, 37, with three felonies in December after police found evidence he videotaped a 2014 attack on a three-year-old girl Opens a New Window. .

Cops said they also found tapes of other attacks where he encouraged two boys Opens a New Window. , aged 10 and 11, to take off their clothes!

PHOTOS: JonBenét Ramsey Memorabilia Collector Selling Murdered Tot’s Tricycle For $100,000 Opens a New Window.

The fiend admitted watching kiddie porn — and authorities are now combing his computer for links to JonBenét’s murder!

“This is an active investigation,” Det. Ryan Ashe of the Rutland, Vt., police department told Radar.

“[Hughes] said he has family out ‘west’ and I plan to reach out to Boulder police to discuss the case.

“If we could establish he was in Colorado or the general vicinity of Boulder, we could develop enough probable cause to get a warrant.”
Insiders told the publication that Hughes’ DNA has already been secretly seized by cops and is being tested.

Hughes was just 15 when JonBenét was found dead in her family home in Boulder on Dec. 26, 1996 — but he’s admitted to an “obsession” with her murder.

“It seems to have consumed most of my life,” Hughes confessed to Radar.

In his book, “An Angel Betrayed,” he implied JonBenét enjoyed the assault.

PHOTOS: JonBenét’s Body May Be Exhumed — ‘I Think It Could Yield Results,’ Says Dad John Opens a New Window.

“[Children] don’t always know it’s wrong, especially if their victimizer is a trusted adult … and most of them want to please adults,” he wrote.

Hughes said he’s communicated with people from Boulder but insisted he played no part in her murder.

“I could tell you I was in no way involved in JonBenét’s death,” he
said.

As Radar has reported, an Indiana woman has fingered her ex-husband, the late Glenn Meyer, as JonBenét’s murderer.

Chillingly, a witness has described a second suspect as Meyer’s accomplice — and Hughes’ arrest warrants a full-scale probe.

“The witness said one of the intruders was in their early teens,” said Roscoe J. Clark, founder of an online group that investigates JonBenét’s death. “[Hughes] fits the profile.”

specifically,

“If we could establish he was in Colorado or the general vicinity of Boulder, we could develop enough probable cause to get a warrant.”
Insiders told the publication that Hughes’ DNA has already been secretly seized by cops and is being tested.

if as RDI claims there is no evidence of an intruder

why did Vermont LE and FBI take David Hughes DNA and testing it on what was found on Jonbenet,

why are they trying to determine if he was in Boulder in Dec 1996, based on claims of relatives out West,

and why are they searching for evidence on his computer and residence that might link him to Jonbenet?

why do any of this if there's as this fatty


trasha pictured below is an example of an anti-science denialist




this is what she claims

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?76520-Patsy-Ramsey/page92

tricia griffith wrote:
Anti-K, this whole forum has example after example after example that an intruder did not commit this crime.

No one can show one scintilla of evidence of an intruder.

As owner, I do my best to stay out of actual discussions about a crime.

The JBR case is the one expection.

Websleuths is a leader in true crime information as well as discussion. People come here to get information. It is imperative we deal with the facts. Not fantasy.

All I ask for are facts and a logical connecting of the dots. Logic and facts.

When I get time I will be going through the forum to make sure the JonBenet Ramsey forum is being held up to the high standards just like all our other forums on Websleuths.

The days of allowing anyone to post anything because it's part of their "theory" are gone. Facts and logic. Very simple.

this is her qualifications

Host Tricia Griffith is a veteran radio disc jockey and owner of Websleuths.com and owner of Forums for Justice.org.

in other words she has ZERO qualifications in forensic science. she has no training in forensic fiber, trace evidence, DNA yet she claims

tricia griffith wrote:
Anti-K, this whole forum has example after example after example that an intruder did not commit this crime.

No one can show one scintilla of evidence of an intruder.

and yet Vermont LE and FBI are combing through his computer and taking his DNA, and if they find something they will inform Boulder LE.

why did they ask RDI David Hughes if he was involved in Jonbenet's murder?

Hughes said he’s communicated with people from Boulder but insisted he played no part in her murder.

“I could tell you I was in no way involved in JonBenét’s death,” he
said.

superdave is getting redpilled. basically schooled into the True Nature of the Forensics.


RDI like SD spent all these years bashing intruder theorists, claiming no evidence of an intruder,

and now SD is a suspect, with his DNA taken.

suppose SD DNA matches the DNA found on Jonbenet,

suppose SD has a hi-tec shoes that match the impression found in the Ramsey home

suppose SD has a piece of wood that exactly matches the missing middle part of the paintbrush used to fashion the garrote

suppose SD has tape and ligature that matches what was found in Jonbenet crime scene

Suppose SD has a flashlight that has hair and skin that matches Jonbenet,

would any of this be evidence of an intruder?

RDI = pure incompetence with the forensics

again, if there is not a scintilla of evidnece of an intruder as Tricia Griffith who uses her websleuth and forumsforjustice forum to claim,

why is Vermont PD and FBI taking David Hughe's DNA, they interviewed him and asked him about this, and searching his home, computer and his whereabouts.

holdontoyourhat and jameson are right.

at this point i imagine there is no match between David Hughes and Jonbenet, since if there was a match i'd imagine it would be front page news.

obviously if they do find such a match, that person is a suspect and will be investigated, this is normal forensic science and detective work.

I have some things to say about this but I’m working today. I’ll check back later...

Delmar England’s letter to Mary Lacy is just laughable. I can only imagine how much fun they had in the DAs office making fun of it. That being said, I think websleuths does some good things. However The decision to walk down the RDI only road is contrary to what I read her basic mission to be; and that is to assist law enforcement in apprehending criminals. The wisdom of the crowd if you will.

The proclamation of there being no evidence of an intruder is also laughable... and science free. Do you think she did so at SDs bidding? I don’t think she understands the folly of her ways. She apparently unwittingly gave a child sex predator a platform to cultivate his own clientele for child porn. He was probably using private conversations to entice other predators to buy his book and then drop-ship them a piece of CP without leaving a disgital footprint...or so he thought. He should have never been allowed to dox himself and promote his book.

It’s a little different on reddit because the rules require anonymity. But the same attitudes exist there and I’m suspicious of perverted behavior there as well. It’s pretty bad since topix shut down. It’s like it’s a game with private betting on the side. The zealous downvoting of IDI is really a sick rolling joke.

searchinGirl wrote:Delmar England’s letter to Mary Lacy is just laughable. I can only imagine how much fun they had in the DAs office making fun of it. That being said, I think websleuths does some good things. However The decision to walk down the RDI only road is contrary to what I read her basic mission to be; and that is to assist law enforcement in apprehending criminals. The wisdom of the crowd if you will.

The proclamation of there being no evidence of an intruder is also laughable... and science free. Do you think she did so at SDs bidding? I don’t think she understands the folly of her ways. She apparently unwittingly gave a child sex predator a platform to cultivate his own clientele for child porn. He was probably using private conversations to entice other predators to buy his book and then drop-ship them a piece of CP without leaving a disgital footprint...or so he thought. He should have never been allowed to dox himself and promote his book.

It’s a little different on reddit because the rules require anonymity. But the same attitudes exist there and I’m suspicious of perverted behavior there as well. It’s pretty bad since topix shut down. It’s like it’s a game with private betting on the side. The zealous downvoting of IDI is really a sick rolling joke.

yeah, on reddit there's southerngoodsense who is cynic on websleuth and forumsforjustice. for the short time i was on reddit jbr, i met him and he recommend delmar england as the finest rdi ffj has to offer.

reading this i realize cynic has never studied any forensic science at anytime in his life ever, yet he's an admin for websleuth

imo websleuth and reddit are a waste of time, and not just bc its rdi, and yes you can downvote on reddit. just say, rdi bc burke was creepy therefore there was no intruder. he did it.

i dont know tricia personally but SD back in the day told me tricia was fanatically rdi from day one and actually established websleuth to promote rdi. sd didn't use the word fanatic but passionate about justice for jbr which for her means rdi only, no intruder.

tricia had a post saying jamesons real name is sue bonnet and told everyone to always mention her real name sue bonnet to try to silence her.

i think it was cynic tricia or sd who said something along the lines that jameson was taking a show and had a mystical vision that jonbenet was killed by an intruder, so she's a idi nutjob. in time cynic would call me and holdontoyourhat an idi nutjob as well.

tricia also has truth about the carnes decision and project ramsey rebuttal.

on forumsforjustice she has petition to governor dated way back around 2001 and other really old posts.

i've critiqued delmar england' b.s before. if you do a forum search.

his claim that the dna is not sourced therefore is not evidence and therefore caters to intruder mental creation is simply preposterous.

other crimes have been solved via touch dna, where initially the dna was unsourced so they compare it with suspects.

The letters and petitions are what they refer to as a nuisance that no one wants to deal with in those Government Offices. I believe they are the kind of leads that Kolar was hired to handle at first. Those two forums are a waste of time and energy but if it wasn’t for another reddit user, I’m not sure I would have seen those DA documents. I try to view it as a learning experience.

It maybe only me, but I think there are other sex predators at those forums. They keep the conversation going for sport. They make private deals on the side. On reddit they bait arguments and try to manipulate the score. It’s devious.

I predict the forums could be headed for a fall. I remember the moderator at JBR reddit saying it was originally moderated by a predator, and the sub was then offered to him as a clean up. SuperDave’s Fury didn’t help.

thats interesting, some of the posts might be interesting which is why i want to hear about the latest round of DNA testing.

claim that the DNA foudn on Jonbenet was a composite of 2 individuals, that fibers from Patsy's jacket was found on the ligature and tape and John's sweater on crotch of Jonbenet's panties.

it would be nice if there was an official accounting of all the fibers hair and other trace evidence, and answers to whether the secound round of dna testing showed it to be a composite

is benybaku jameson?

I don’t know anymore if Benny is Jameson. And I wouldn’t press her on it. But part of the reason I thought that is that Jameson’s real name is Bennett, not Bonnet.

Nobody denies that the samples on the longJohns are mixtures but the Likelihood Ratio says that the one on the right is 6200 times more likely to belong to belong to the profile in CODIS than it is to belong to two unrelated individuals...

I put this spreadsheet together from available reports... http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/file/fetch/126882602/_dnaWaistbandSamples.pdf ... look at the numbers in red. You can see how many of the values of alleles in UM1 are accounted for in the sample from the longJohns. The little question marks beside the two pairs are from the DNA Analyst at Bode in a conversation where they address this very issue. There are no indications of UM1 being a composite of multiple individuals.

They last few days I’ve been speaking the truth on reddit and have lost something like 90 points. It’s a shame game. They aren’t trying to solve crimes there. RDI posters there are so insincere which is why I think they could be predators like furyofthedragon.

I’ve read quite a few of your comments at websleuths as Voynich. You have a clear mind and made a lot of interesting arguments. I can’t see why you were banned, although the hymen discussion was a bit of a crossed line but who am I to say? You don’t present as a pervert. Most male IDI don’t.

I think TG made a huge mistake in banning IDI. She essentially provides child predators a safe haven to promote their sick ideas. IDI can spot these people because their arguments are so insane and abstracted from reality and are completely science free.

But seems like RDI is the only stance to take if you want to discuss in detail the body parts and sexual assault of a little girl. In SDs case he actually made a post saying he would probably get banned but would like to know what JBR looked like dead and how the undertaker prepared her body to look pretty in death. That’s really over the line ideation.

searchinGirl wrote:I don’t know anymore if Benny is Jameson. And I wouldn’t press her on it. But part of the reason I thought that is that Jameson’s real name is Bennett, not Bonnet.

Nobody denies that the samples on the longJohns are mixtures but the Likelihood Ratio says that the one on the right is 6200 times more likely to belong to belong to the profile in CODIS than it is to belong to two unrelated individuals...

I put this spreadsheet together from available reports... http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/file/fetch/126882602/_dnaWaistbandSamples.pdf ... look at the numbers in red. You can see how many of the values of alleles in UM1 are accounted for in the sample from the longJohns. The little question marks beside the two pairs are from the DNA Analyst at Bode in a conversation where they address this very issue. There are no indications of UM1 being a composite of multiple individuals.

They last few days I’ve been speaking the truth on reddit and have lost something like 90 points. It’s a shame game. They aren’t trying to solve crimes there. RDI posters there are so insincere which is why I think they could be predators like furyofthedragon.

I’ve read quite a few of your comments at websleuths as Voynich. You have a clear mind and made a lot of interesting arguments. I can’t see why you were banned, although the hymen discussion was a bit of a crossed line but who am I to say? You don’t present as a pervert. Most male IDI don’t.

I think TG made a huge mistake in banning IDI. She essentially provides child predators a safe haven to promote their sick ideas. IDI can spot these people because their arguments are so insane and abstracted from reality and are completely science free.

But seems like RDI is the only stance to take if you want to discuss in detail the body parts and sexual assault of a little girl. In SDs case he actually made a post saying he would probably get banned but would like to know what JBR looked like dead and how the undertaker prepared her body to look pretty in death. That’s really over the line ideation.

even the DNA experts on that denver post/westward article use the word "could" but RDI of call it, "mixed 2 profiles" = meaningless

there was a rdi poster i read who called the dna meaningless as it was "a composite" profile referencing that denver post/westward article , then mention patsy's red shirt fibers on the tape and ligature and paintbrush tote, and john black sweater fibers on jonbenet panties crouch = no intruder john and patsy did it.

yeah im still waiting to hear from BPD on the latest round of DNA testing.

i don't even remember what i said as voynich lol it's been so long ago. only SD and holdontoyourhat can actually follow what i say bc its heavily laced w/ star wars, bc SD and holdontoyourhat are also a star wars fans.

which is how i got hooked lol.

holdontoyourhat and i were partners in crime back in the day.

i recall what tricia SD cynic and other posters there like raven and what not was saying about jameson, but now exactly how to spell her name LOL.

that's why i dont waste my time on reddit /jbr is the downvoting and report to admin.

oh, since on websleuth SD was reading my posts i had them heavily laced with my fav star wars ive always wanted to role play as a sith lord / jedi master and SD is perfect.

that's all in the past right now sadly.

I’m sorry for your loss. Unfortunately I think SD was looking for a different kind of role play than Star Wars. Additional DNA testing was a great idea; especially if they further tested the y-str and established a paternal lineage for a Familial DNA Search. My guess is as good as anyone’s.

searchinGirl wrote:I’m sorry for your loss. Unfortunately I think SD was looking for a different kind of role play than Star Wars. Additional DNA testing was a great idea; especially if they further tested the y-str and established a paternal lineage for a Familial DNA Search. My guess is as good as anyone’s.

the news articles imply that was done in 2017 and results were available in 2018 but not publicly released, and that additional items from the ligature and paintbrush to the ransom note would also be dna tested.

i wonder if westward/denver post can sue to have that results released.

The little that's been said indicates an active case so I doubt they can sue for information but I really don't know. Alex Hunter said as one of the reasons he resisted testifying in Burkes lawsuit was to avoid tipping anything off (or something like that). I'm the only one in the world that thinks Garnett's resignation as DA came suspiciously early. I mean he campaigned on expanding term limits but announced his resignation right after the judge said Burkes lawsuit could proceed. I thought it was odd. and the new DA is a Cold Case Specialist from Jeffco. He's kept a lid on the leaks.

I have to go. Ill finish this later.

searchinGirl wrote:The little that's been said indicates an active case so I doubt they can sue for information but I really don't know. Alex Hunter said as one of the reasons he resisted testifying in Burkes lawsuit was to avoid tipping anything off (or something like that). I'm the only one in the world that thinks Garnett's resignation as DA came suspiciously early. I mean he campaigned on expanding term limits but announced his resignation right after the judge said Burkes lawsuit could proceed. I thought it was odd. and the new DA is a Cold Case Specialist from Jeffco. He's kept a lid on the leaks.

I have to go. Ill finish this later.

IMO, if these new round of DNA testing confirms intruder theory,

they need to announce this and say that Burke and the R's are cleared, and that CBS should issue a retraction.

i wonder if they are doing genealogical DNA typing on it

I think they are doing genealogy testing. The beauty of the Likelihood Ratio is that they use it for genetic similarity. Why wouldn’t they try to track it down? They probably wouldnt annouce anything until they have a suspect in hand, just to avoid people like Delmar England, who are a nuisance to the Appointment and Appropriation Process?

searchinGirl wrote:I think they are doing genealogy testing. The beauty of the Likelihood Ratio is that they use it for genetic similarity. Why wouldn’t they try to track it down? They probably wouldnt annouce anything until they have a suspect in hand, just to avoid people like Delmar England, who are a nuisance to the Appointment and Appropriation Process?

this is probably too much to ask for but

an official statement of all the trace evidence found at the crime scene, a definitive statement on the fibers, shoe print, palm print etc

+ conclusions of the latest DNA results

no need to speculate or argue over whether burke owned a pair of hi-tech boots and whether the shoe print is that.

kinda like playing 1st edition D&D vs a video game.