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Post by redpill on Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:04 pm

im a fan of case linking.

i had once posted on the Villisca axe murders as an example of an intruder. i guess the whole family were very heavy sleepers.

the wiki article has this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Villisca_Axe_Murders#See_also
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Nine months before the murders at Villisca, another similar case of ax murder occurred in Colorado Springs, Colorado. Two additional ax murder cases followed in Ellsworth, Kansas, and Paola, Kansas. All cases were similar enough that the possibility that all were committed by the same person was impossible to dismiss. Other murders mentioned as being "linked" to these crimes include the numerous unsolved ax murders along the Southern Pacific Railroad from 1911-1912, the unsolved Axeman of New Orleans killings, as well as several other ax murders during this time period.

According to the "Villisca Axe Murders House" website, the murders that took place in Colorado Springs, Colorado, were mysteriously closely related to the murders that took place in Villisca. Only nine months before the Villisca murders took place, H.C. Wayne, his wife and child and Mrs. A.J. Burnham were also found dead, murdered by axes. The Colorado Springs Police found it difficult to believe that the same person could do the same crime, just in different cities. Like the Villisca murders, bed sheets were used to cover the windows to prevent passerby's from looking in, only in the Villisca case, aprons and strung skirts were used. And similar to how the murderer in Villisca wiped the blood off his axe and covered the heads of the victims with bed cloth, the same situation was found in Colorado

i looked up The Burnham And Wayne Family Massacres

http://listverse.com/2014/04/29/10-haunting-unsolved-mass-murders/
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Around 2:00 in the afternoon on September 20, 1911, in Colorado Springs, the bodies of Alice May Burnham, her six-year-old daughter, and her three-year-old son were found dead in their beds. Alice’s sister, who discovered the bodies, ran to the road, attracting the attention of all the neighbors except for the Wayne family, who lived next door. When people went to check on them, they too were found dead in their beds. The young Wayne family consisted of 30-year-old Henry, 25-year-old Blanche, and their one-year-old baby.

Sometime in the night, the killer had climbed in through one of the windows, knocking over a bottle of ink. He then grabbed an axe, leaving a handprint on the handle from the ink. One by one, he beat the victims to death with the blunt side of the axe. He then neatly made the beds, tucking the still-warm corpses into their bedsheets, and left, leaving the axe in the house.

When the murders were discovered, A.J. Burnham, who was Alice’s husband, was arrested but not charged with the crime. Using the handprint left on the axe, cold-case researchers are still looking into the crime. One investigator believes that the murders were committed by a serial killer who rode the rails and claimed the lives of 25 people across the Northwest.


i believe villisca and co springs are case linked by a common UNSUB offender although it's hard to say with what's available how well they match up but they similarities are too many to be coincidence
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Post by Inspector Rex on Tue Apr 29, 2014 8:45 pm

I believe a family member was responsible for Villisca murders.
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Post by redpill on Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:18 pm

Inspector Rex wrote:I believe a family member was responsible for Villisca murders.

how do you explain the similarities with The Burnham And Wayne Family Massacres just 9 months earlier?
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Post by Inspector Rex on Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:25 pm

Newspapers.
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Post by redpill on Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:29 pm

Inspector Rex wrote:Newspapers.

The Burnham And Wayne Family Massacres occurred first. are you saying that the Villisca is a copycat from family member?
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Post by Inspector Rex on Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:48 pm

Yep.
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Post by redpill on Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:53 pm

Inspector Rex wrote:Yep.

i guess the issue then is this

According to the "Villisca Axe Murders House" website, the murders that took place in Colorado Springs, Colorado, were mysteriously closely related to the murders that took place in Villisca. Only nine months before the Villisca murders took place, H.C. Wayne, his wife and child and Mrs. A.J. Burnham were also found dead, murdered by axes. The Colorado Springs Police found it difficult to believe that the same person could do the same crime, just in different cities. Like the Villisca murders, bed sheets were used to cover the windows to prevent passerby's from looking in, only in the Villisca case, aprons and strung skirts were used. And similar to how the murderer in Villisca wiped the blood off his axe and covered the heads of the victims with bed cloth, the same situation was found in Colorado

- how many details from the Co springs murders were reported in the newspapers that this alleged family member read 9 months later and decided to implement.
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Post by Inspector Rex on Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:41 pm

Here's just one example. Journalists liked to include all the gory details in those days.

http://genealogytrails.com/colo/elpaso/news/burnham.html
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Post by redpill on Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:51 pm

Inspector Rex wrote:Here's just one example.  Journalists liked to include all the gory details in those days.

http://genealogytrails.com/colo/elpaso/news/burnham.html

ah.

ok. which family member and why? i believe these murders are linked by same UNSUB.
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Post by Inspector Rex on Tue Apr 29, 2014 11:51 pm

Josiah's brother, Ross.

Jealously.
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Post by redpill on Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:59 am

Inspector Rex wrote:Josiah's brother, Ross.

Jealously.



who do you think murdered The Burnham And Wayne Family? what about reports of other Axe murders
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Post by Inspector Rex on Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:18 pm

I don't have any idea.

Axe was as common a weapon then as gun is now. Now not so much as an axe is no longer at hand for wood chopping. People who used them often became very skilled and big men prided themselves on their ability with the axe.

Read back through the evidence and coroner's inquest with my suspect in your mind and you may find a couple of clues. The fact that this person copy-catted another crime that was still on people's minds, directed their attention away from the inconsistencies in the evidence that pointed to him.

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Post by redpill on Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:32 pm

Inspector Rex wrote:I don't have any idea.

Axe was as common a weapon then as gun is now.  Now not so much as an axe is no longer at hand for wood chopping.  People who used them often became very skilled and big men prided themselves on their ability with the axe.

Read back through the evidence and coroner's inquest with my suspect in your mind and you may find a couple of clues.  The fact that this person copy-catted another crime that was still on people's minds, directed their attention away from the inconsistencies in the evidence that pointed to him.


hi ok do u have a link to post or primary evidence for him? wiki lists several other suspects like the preacher
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Post by Inspector Rex on Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:59 pm

http://www.villiscaiowa.com/index.php

The information is here. I'd like to get a transcript of the Inquest, as I'm not sure it appears in it's entirety on the website.
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Post by Inspector Rex on Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:18 pm

http://docublogger.typepad.com/villiscamystery/2011/05/villisca-crime-scene-photos.html

This is what I was looking for, has lots of information.

Interesting that the photographs of the crime scene were never found. People who took/owned them died and fires were started. Another was assaulted and his camera smashed.

The mirrors covered.
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Post by redpill on Sat May 03, 2014 5:36 pm


take any historical serial killing cases, i.e jack the ripper, and you can posit one offender, jack, or each killing done by a different copycat killer.

in my mind there's occam's razor, positing one individual responsible for a series of murders that are all very similar is more parsimonious than positing several different murderers with copy catting.

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Post by Inspector Rex on Fri May 09, 2014 3:34 am

I shall watch the Lin Family murders trial (brother-in-law accused) with interest.

I think there will be parallels with the Villisca Axe murders of over 100 years ago.
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Post by redpill on Sat May 10, 2014 11:43 pm

Inspector Rex wrote:I shall watch the Lin Family murders trial (brother-in-law accused) with interest.

I think there will be parallels with the Villisca Axe murders of over 100 years ago.

there's an article on that on wiki

there's also

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_girl_scout_murders

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keddie_Murders
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Post by yk robert on Sun May 11, 2014 1:46 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_girl_scout_murders
I am biting my teeth on this one-- wanting to say so much.
Hart didn't do it -- there I said it. Oh well another time ,another forum.
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Post by redpill on Sun May 11, 2014 2:30 am

yk robert wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_girl_scout_murders
 I am biting my teeth on this one-- wanting to say so much.
   Hart didn't do it -- there I said it.   Oh well another time ,another forum.  

Thirty years later authorities conducted new DNA testing. The results of these proved inconclusive, as the samples were too old.[1]

why not hart? how can dna be inconclusive?



Less than two months before the murders, during an on-site training session, a camp counselor found her belongings ransacked, her doughnuts stolen, and inside the empty doughnut box was a disturbing hand-written note. The author vowed to murder three campers. The director of that camp session treated the note as a prank and it was discarded [2]

interesting.
kinda like jonbenet

how would the handwritten note author know in advance 2 months into the future there would be 3 girls in 1 tent?
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Post by yk robert on Sun May 11, 2014 3:46 am

Oh my. do we ever have lots to talk about , this case is very close to me.
There was no note. A girl scouts mother reported this 2 months after the crimes on the account of one being found 2 months before the crimes by her daughter who wanted to be part of the mystery of killings. The camp director Barbara Day never saw or given a note, and only heard of one 2 months after the crimes.
Leroy Hart had a criminal history , but he never killed anyone--and its not true that he left 2 woman tied up and left to die in the woods.
Mayes county Sheriff Weaver already had Hart on his brain before he even got to the crime scene .
Henry Lucas was Id ed as living around there the week of the murders(look up Henry Lucas) I suspect Bobby Jack Fowler was with Lucas at the time, look him up also.

This crime is more of the caliber of Lucas and Fowler than a mild mannered Cherokee Indian.
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Post by redpill on Sun May 11, 2014 7:56 pm


This crime is more of the caliber of Lucas and Fowler
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if the DNA evidence suggests 2 perps u might b right. if only 1 perp.

personally i wonder if the killer struck again? mayb @ keddie?

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Post by yk robert on Sun May 11, 2014 10:46 pm

Fowler's timeline hasn't been fully followed. His crimes include at least 9 states and Canada.
Henry Lee Lucas killed in a few states but his most was in Texas were he dumped bodies in what some refer to as the field of tears . The youngest victim of these two ( Lucas and Fowler) was 12 years old.
Two Brothers (Wilkinson) worked for the Okla. State BI(OSBI) and investigated the GS murders , and wrote a book(Someone Cry For The Children) This book tainted the public so bad , that no one is out there looking for the real killer or killers .
For those who don't know, County Sheriffs are elected Sheriff by the people of the county. Leroy Hart had escaped from Sheriff Pete Weaver two times and was lose for 4 years . Weaver wanted to have the most votes in the next election. He lost.
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Post by redpill on Sun May 11, 2014 11:02 pm

were these girls raped and did the perp leave behind semen? i fail to understand how DNA cannot solve this?

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Post by yk robert on Mon May 12, 2014 12:32 am

Yes- One had semen collected from-- There was sleeping bags, sheets with blood on them , tracks in the blood on the floor, a flashlight left behind by the killer-- beer cans or bottles found-- In 1977 DNA wasn't the tool it is today--But that doesn't explain why they couldn't get prints . Something is rotten here.
They say the semen sample wasn't stored properly.
You are hearing the way as I see things on this crime-- and what I say would naturally rub those who take the Wilkinson book as gospel the wrong way. You can go to Topix( Locust Grove Oklahoma) There is 253 posts there , Your conclusion after reading there and other sources will likely not be the same as mine, that's just the way things are I guess. We should really be on another forum where my one sided view can be discussed with those who have other input that may not support my views .
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