a picture of jonbenet

without makeup

psyche

this is NOT jonbenet. it is another murder victim from Colorado

what is the story with this one-- and what year

yk robert wrote:what is the story with this one-- and what year

=)

im glad u asked =)

rupert and i talked about her back in the day. he even asked me if mr cruel might have gotten her.

i miss darth rupert.

ah i miss those good ol' days.

rupert is a huge fan of John Douglass and Mindhunter.   

I might say that I am a fan of Rupe-- but not a fan of Douglas

yk robert wrote:I might say that I am a fan of Rupe-- but not a fan of Douglas

me to.

i understand why rupert is a fan of douglass - silence of the lambs. the idea you can look at a crime scene/body and here the RN and draw conclusions.

the girls name is tracy neef
i had a post dated

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Tracy Neef murder sounds oddly familiar
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85500

back in those days SD and i clased swords


here is another thread

http://www.crimeshots.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10973

Recognize this girl? Do they look similar?


i love superdave i love racking him over the coals i miss statusquo and hippo and fairm

but tracy neef resembles jonbenet nearly same age and


Approximate distance in miles from Boulder Colorado to Thornton Colorado is 15 miles

http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcase...off-at-school/


Names: Tracy Marie Neef, 7
Location kidnapped: Bertha Heid Elementary School in Thornton
Agency: Thornton Police Department
Date disappeared: March 16, 1984
Cause of Deathasphyxiation
Suspect: None identified
Seven-year-old Tracy Marie Neef was wearing a t-shirt that said “I don’t look for trouble” when she ran through a gate at Bertha Heid Elementary School on March 16, 1984 and vanished.


School on March 16, 1984 and vanished.

The mystery of who intercepted her that day has troubled Thornton homicide detectives, the Colorado Bureau of Investigation and FBI agents and Boulder County sheriff’s investigators for 24 years.
Tracy Marie Neef
Tracy’s body was found in a small grassy area between rocks a quarter-mile west of Barker Dam near Nederland, between a dirt road and the reservoir.
Since her death, the circumstances leading to Tracy’s murder have been scrutinized by more than 100 local, county, state and federal investigators.
Detectives looked at every known sex offender in Colorado.
But key evidence that might have led to the killer was either destroyed or lost, Thornton Crimes Against Persons Det. Doug Parker said.
“Many circumstances worked against the investigation from the beginning,” he said.
On the day she disappeared, Tracy watched cartoons in her home, which was about six blocks from school. She went with her mom as Susan Neef delivered newspapers to neighbors.
At 8:16 a.m. Susan Neef drove her daughter to school. Because she was 10 minutes late, there were no other kids outside on the north side of Bertha Heid, Parker said.

Because she was late, the door on the north end of the school was locked, Parker said.
Susan watched Tracy run to an opening in the chain-link fence surrounding the school, carrying a red school bag with her Pacman lunch box inside.
Susan Neef watched her daughter walk through the gate to the front entrance on the south side of the school.

Watch video: Aerials of Bertha Heid Elementary
She never entered the school. Tracy likely met her killer while trying to find a way into the school, Parker said.
“There is nothing to indicate that anyone from the school had anything to do with it,” he said.
Poze Boulevard is a heavily traveled street that curves around the school. In all likelihood, someone who knew her called the girl to a car or a stranger grabbed her and forced her into their car, Parker said.
Tracy’s father, Gary Neef, of Commerce City, a carpenter who remodels homes, said it is possible that someone who knew Tracy met her there.
“Tracy wasn’t the type who would go to somebody she didn’t know,” he said.
A few weeks earlier, she had called him when his wife was late picking her up, Neef said. When he got to school Tracy was standing next to her teacher, sobbing.
At 1:30 p.m. the day Tracy disappeared, a man found her red school bag next to a dirt road at Barker Reservoir in Boulder County.
At 2:45 p.m., Susan Neef drove to school to pick her daughter up. She waited for a few minutes then drove home to see if her daughter had walked home. Then she drove back to the school and spoke with her daughter’s teacher, who said Tracy had never come to school.
Gary Neef’s boss paged him and he called his wife, who was crying. Together they drove around the neighborhood until 4 p.m., and then called 911, Gary Neef said.
The investigation of Tracy’s disappearance started after all the teachers and students had gone home for the day, Parker said. It wouldn’t be until Monday that police were able to question them about anything they may have seen. Nobody had seen Tracy disappear, Parker said.
A couple discovered Tracy’s body at 4:45 p.m.

Spot where Tracy Neef’s body was discovered near Barker Reservoir Tracy was found lying sideways with her knees bent together and her hands lying palm down on her belly. Her school supplies were scattered around her body.
“It appeared like she was placed there and not thrown there,” Parker said.
Tracy had a scratch on her right cheek and one above her left eye that appeared to be caused by a fingernail. The marks may have been caused as the kidnapper tried to control Tracy after pulling her into his car.
Tracy had ligature marks on both wrists indicating she had been tied with a rope or cord, Parker said. Some rapists and killers carry abduction tools like rope with them in their cars, he said.
She waswearing her jeans and t-shirt.
It was a key piece of evidence along with other signs that Tracy may have died before the kidnapper could sexually assault her, Parker said.
A ligature mark on her right chin that may have been caused by a coat strap is another clue. While trying to silence Tracy, the killer may have tied her coat so tightly above her mouth that she could not breathe, he said. While her kidnapper may have intended to kill Tracy from the moment he saw her, killing her may have been an act of desparation or a mistake, Parker said.
Tracy’s autopsy later showed that she died of asphyxiation, Parker said.
Although there were signs that Tracy was molested, the attacker did not remove her clothes or rape her, indications the kidnapper may have changed his plans after killing the girl prematurely, Parker said.
The fact that Tracy’s body was left so close to a well-traveled road, Highway 119, may indicate the killer panicked and quickly disposed of the body.
Watch video: Aerials of Barker Reservoir, where Tracy’s body was found.
Tracy’s school bag was found about 100 feet from her body. It may have been thrown out the window of a car as the killer was driving away and realized he still had it with him, Parker said.
Homicide detectives estimated Tracy took her last breath between 10:30 a.m. and noon based on accounts of people who drove on the dirt road that day and when her school bag was seen.
A coroner discovered two hairs that could have belonged to the killer during an autopsy.
One found on Tracy’s shoe was lost while it was handled over the years by Thornton detectives, FBI experts and Denver crime laboratory investigators, Parker said.
Another found near Tracy’s pubic area, was contaminated during DNA testing in 1998. The testing only proved useful in 2006 when a Denver University DNA expert was able to exclude two longstanding suspects, he said.
There are no other suspects, Parker said.
Gary Neef said investigators never told him about the hairs.
“That’s all the evidence they had,” Gary Neef said. “Now with no DNA we’ll never know who did it unless the killer confesses.”
Over the years, he said he coped by telling himself that the killer likely committed more terrible crimes, got caught and is rotting in prison.
Tracy’s death led a year later to her parents’ divorce, Gary Neef said.
“We kind of blamed each other and grew apart,” he said.
He said his wife Susan left the state with his 6-year-old son and he didn’t hear from them for 10 years.
Parker said police have not received any new leads in the case in many years.
It will take someone coming forward who heard the killer talk about the murder, he said.
Contact information: Anyone with information about the case is asked to contact Det. Doug Parker at 720-977-5080. You can also contact Denver Post reporter Kirk Mitchell at 303-954-1206 or kmitchell@denverpost.com
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Have you read "Closed Eyes" by James Benish?

Inspector Rex wrote:Have you read "Closed Eyes" by James Benish?

i have not. could you share with his what he said? do you agree? my early websleuth theory was jonbenet-tracy neef link something rupert also agreed

Not read it either. He has a suspect, I think. Only read bits on Amazon.

"Closed Eyes Who s killing our children? By: J.D. Benish This novel is based on the discovery of a single suspect when in 1993 the author,a detective,opens the cold case murder of Tracy Neef. This murder occurred in 1984. To the author s surprise there is a clear suspect that had been questioned in 1984, but erroneously categorized as having an alibi. The author weeds through old case files and discovers how the investigation was hampered with confusion, mistakes and lack of expertise. There is microscopic evidence that indicates the perpetrator might be a welder. This suspect s occupation was as a welder. The author learns that there are similar welding particles left behind in other cases. The author interviews the suspect who lies when asked key questions. The author discovers that the suspect s previous arrests and sightings put him in close proximity to the Tracy Neef, Alie Berrelez, and JonBenet crime scenes. On July 9th 2008 the Boulder DA states that DNA has eliminated the Ramsey family as suspects in JonBenet s murder. The author believes that this suspect is a serial offender and is responsible for the murder of Tracey Neef, the abduction and assault of Michalel C. and the Murder of Ali Berrelez. The author believes that this suspect should be vigorously considered as a suspect in the murder of JonBenet Ramsey. The families deserve closure. The public has a right to know. The suspect has not been charged and is roaming our streets."

ironically the Murder of Ali Berrelez has been solved with tDNA (and they found the suspect a neighbor matching DNA)

Stofer was a welder, as was Benish's suspect, David Barber.

The grinder the was photoed in the Ramseys basement--Would that blade be for cutting or grinding? Welder and grinder go hand in hand, Any of those guys ever work in the Rs house? What work in the Ramsey house would require a Welder --grinder? Other than taking out the fireplace the was photoed also, and really I can't see one would be needed for that

Yes, I must have read the 'welder' theory previously, because I thought of it as soon as I saw the angle grinder. It is out of place in the basement of a house belonging to an IT businessman and there is no other tools in evidence. It is also not the kind of implement you would expect to find in the play area of small children, as someone would be sure to turn it on and lose fingers or worse. Whether it is a cutter or grinder, it belongs with a steel worker of some kind, not the president of a computer company.