Colorado Batman gun shooter James Holmes and the Zodiac Killer, Jonbenet

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Colorado Batman gun shooter James Holmes and the Zodiac Killer, Jonbenet

Post by redpill on Mon Jun 01, 2015 8:35 pm

over at websleuths posters have claimed

detective pinkie wrote:
Hold yourself to the same standards - explain why an intruder would leave a body and a note, simply and believably

tawny wrote:
the fail in logic is astounding.

This is an example of NO IDI explanation. Why would an intruder hide her body? Seriously, please answer that for me. Why would an intruder hide her body rather than take her with them and dump her, or leave her where she was? Did an intruder seriously believe she would NEVER EVER be found inside the house?

Serious question: Why would an intruder hide her body in a dark room in a basement?


If he wanted to ensure it was found, why hide it? If he had to bug out, not taking the kidnapped-turned-murdered with him, why did he leave the note?

Delay discovery to what end? If he were bugging out, why would he care when, where, and how she's found?

It makes zero logical sense.


ukguy wrote:
Mama2JML,
Why does an intruder need to bother with a RN at all, all that sitting around authoring a RN, increases the risk of being caught.

No JonBenet in the house tells its own story, when followed up with a ransom phone call, no RN is required.

There is no IDI explanation forthcoming as to why the said intruder did not remove JonBenet from the house, which is just as inconsistent as any staged kidnapping leaving JonBenet in the house!

Intruder plan of action: Enter Ramsey household remove JonBenet, dead or alive, relocate to the boot of awaiting car, then simply drive away. Next day phone ransom demands. Total time to execute less than fifteen minutes!


nimyat of reddit wrote:
There is absolutely 0 reason to start to write a draft ransom note and then write the real thing and make it that ridiculously long.

If it was a premeditated kidnapping, ('hid in the house' theory) why the fuck wouldn't you bring a ransome note with you and why the hell would you start to draft one and then write one on paper found in the house.

If it was a burglary turned kidnapping, why would you start to draft a ransom note, and then write the real thing 4 pages long? You would scribble something like "I've taken your daughter, dont contact police, deposit money at this location at this time if you want to see her again." A panicked burglar does not sit and start writing about his 'organisation'.

A lot of people get bogged down in the details of the case, because it is a fascinating one and it is very interesting, but the ransom note is the most ridiculous thing ever and was totally written by one of the family in my opinion. They also completely over thought it - mentioning the fathers business, his bonus, writing 4 pages worth etc.

There's no way the family wasn't involved. As for which one did it, that is what is hard to prove.

docg makes a similar claim
docg wrote:

Questions

An intruder intending to express his anger or disdain for the Ramseys would have had no reason to write a meaningless ransom note. A kidnapper would not have left both the note and the body. If the parents were involved in this together, as so many assume, such a note might serve to throw the police off the track, but only if the body were found, days later, in some remote area. Or never found. With the body hidden in the house, where it is sure to be discovered, the note only creates problems for the Ramseys, the only ones who could "logically" have written it. If they were not planning on getting the body out of the house before the police came, then why would they write an obviously phony note?

Also, why was the note hand printed? Why not print it via computer? Or paste words together from newspapers? If the parents, or anyone at all close to the family, wrote it, they would be risking exposure for sure.

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No intruder would have had anything to gain by writing the ransom note. No intruder would have any reason to write it. A kidnapper would have taken the child (or her body) with him. If something had gone wrong with his plan, he would have had no reason to leave a possibly incriminating note. Someone intending to frame John or Patsy would not have written the note in his own hand, as that would be evidence of an intruder. The conclusion is simple: there was no kidnapper. There was no intruder. The note must have been written by someone on the inside -- and it does indeed read like a staged kidnapping attempt.

this is Colorado Batman shooter James Holmes



he is of interest to Jonbenet since he explicitly was a fan of comics, superheros and Batman. He saw himself as the Joker.

Holmes was a fan of superheroes, including Batman, and his apartment was decorated with Batman paraphernalia.[54] Dave Aragón, an actor from MTV television series Pimp My Ride, stated that Holmes called him twice the month prior to the shooting. Aragón is the writer, director, and star of an upcoming film entitled The Suffocator of Sins, which depicts a vigilante who shoots criminals, and Aragón claimed that Holmes showed interest in his movie's trailer.[55]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Eagan_Holmes


this is his stated reason for killing 12 people

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/s/psychiatrist-childs-death-saddens-colorado-theater-shooter-170800641.html

On video, theater gunman says killings got him 'value units'

CENTENNIAL, Colo. (AP) — James Holmes believes he gained a specific amount of self-worth for each of the 12 people he killed in a Colorado movie theater, but he regrets that one of the victims was a child, according to a videotaped conversation between Holmes and a psychiatrist played in court Monday.

In a flat, emotionless voice, Holmes tells psychiatrist William Reid he collected one "value unit" for each person who died.

"I was worth 12 more people than I was before," Holmes says.

Did the wounded count? Reid asks.

"I only count fatalities," Holmes replies.

Holmes also tells the psychiatrist he tried to limit the number of children killed by carrying out the attack at a late showing of a PG-13 movie.

his note book

Detective: Notebook sent by James Holmes describes 'obsession to kill' since childhood

By SADIE GURMAN, Associated Press

CENTENNIAL, Colo. (AP) — In a brown spiral notebook titled "Of Life," Colorado theater shooter James Holmes scrawled a self-diagnosis of his "broken mind" and described his "obsession to kill" since childhood.

He made lists of weapons he planned to buy and included detailed drawings of the theater complete with pros and cons of attacking different auditoriums.

He wrote that his decision to storm the crowded auditorium came after a "lifelong hatred of mankind," and that his failures in graduate school served as the catalyst but were not the cause of the violence.

"Most fools will mistake correlation for causation," Holmes wrote. "The message is there is no message."

However, he also revealed that the "causation is my state of mind for the last 15 years."

The notebook that was mailed to Holmes' psychiatrist before the attack offered the first glimpse into Holmes' mental state during the shooting. A gag order previously kept those details secret.

Prosecutors have focused on portions of the notebook that detail Holmes' planning of the attack and say it is evidence that he was sane at the time of the shooting. The contention stands at the heart of the prosecution's case, which is also expected to include testimony from two court-appointed doctors that Holmes was sane when he opened fire on a packed midnight showing of a Batman movie.

However, defense attorney Daniel King said confusing musings about Holmes' life make up a greater part of the notebook. King cited ramblings by Holmes on the meaning of life and death, and the word "why" repeated over several pages.

Holmes has pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity in the attack that killed 12 people and injured 70 in July of 2012.

While testifying. Aurora police Detective Sgt. Matthew Fyles read several passages from the notebook, including one in which Holmes detailed the "obsession to kill" since he was a child and how to carry it out.

Holmes dismissed biological warfare and serial murder as ways to act out his obsession and instead chose what he called a "mass murder/spree." He wrote that he considered attacking an airport but didn't want to be mistaken for a terrorist.

Holmes also wrote that he needed to research firearms along with the law and mental illness, Fyles testified.

Fyles said the notebook was mailed to Holmes' psychiatrist, Lynne Fenton, in a white bubble mailer with 16 "Forever" stamps depicting scientists. The mailer contained twenty $20 bills, some of which were dispersed throughout the notebook, and the bills were all burned to some extent.

While cross-examining the detective, King said Holmes wrote that death is "life's fallback solution to all problems." In another section, Holmes said, "the real me is fighting the biological me."

Jurors were given copies of the notebook for several minutes to read themselves. They will have access to the writings again during deliberation.

Inside the mailer, authorities found a sticky note marked with a circle with the numeral one and the infinity sign inside — the same symbol found on a calendar in Holmes' apartment on the date July 20, 2012, the day of the shooting.

The words "who, what, where, when, why and how" were written on the back of the note, the detective testified.

The first month of Holmes' death penalty trial was dominated by dramatic and emotional accounts of survivors, technical testimony from investigators, and the recollections of Holmes' neuroscience professors and classmates, who said he never seemed detached from reality.

http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2015/05/26/mental-health-will-take-focus-in-theater-shooting-trial

this is similar to stated motive of the Zodiac Killer



"I LIKE KILLING PEOPLE BECAUSE IT IS SO MUCH FUN IT IS MORE FUN THAN KILLING WILD GAME IN THE FORREST BECAUSE MAN IS THE MOST DANGEROUE ANAMAL OF ALL TO KILL SOMETHING GIVES ME THE MOST THRILLING EXPERENCE IT IS EVEN BETTER THAN GETTING YOUR ROCKS OFF WITH A GIRL THE BEST PART OF IT IS THAE WHEN I DIE I WILL BE REBORN IN PARADICE AND THEI HAVE KILLED WILL BECOME MY SLAVES I WILL NOT GIVE YOU MY NAME BECAUSE YOU WILL TRY TO SLOI DOWN OR ATOP MY COLLECTIOG OF SLAVES FOR MY AFTERLIFE EBEORIETEMETHHPITI"

— The solution to Zodiac's 408-symbol cipher. The meaning, if any, of the final eighteen letters has not been determined.[15]

Jonbenet's killer had an obsession with killing her, and hollywood action thrillers like Dirty Harry, Ransom, Speed, The Deer Hunter, Die Hard, The Rock, Silence of the Lambs, The Fugitive fed that obsession.


Why the body and ransom note in the home? per James Holmes b/c it is worth 3 value unit points. He was obsessed with killing, he is collecting souls, and he wanted to frame the parents.

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