Patsy Ramsey wrote the note vs Curriculum Vitae Forensic Document Examiner

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Patsy Ramsey wrote the note vs Curriculum Vitae Forensic Document Examiner

Post by redpill on Sun Sep 13, 2015 11:20 am

you will read posters from forumsforjustice to topix to websleuth that patsy ramsey wrote the ransom note.

patsy ramsey wrote the ransom note.
patsy ramsey wrote the ransom note.
patsy ramsey wrote the ransom note.

this is a common claim on forumsforjustice poster koldkase


koldkase wrote:

Patsy Ramsey wrote the note. Period. No question. No reasonable argument. All anyone who is objective has to do is compare her exemplars with the ransom note, not to mention the repeated, innumerable writings, statements, and interviews with the Ramseys which repeat excessively the language in the ransom note.
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what is koldkase qualifications? it's my understanding that she is simply a house wife. she has never studied any aspect of criminalistics nor  Forensic Document Examination

these are examples of the Curriculum Vitae  Forensic Document Examiner

http://www.documentlab.com/qualific.htm

Qualifications

   Farrell C. Shiver, Forensic Document Examiner

   

   Certification


   Certified by the American Board of Forensic Document Examiners (ABFDE)

 
   Training
   

   Graduate of the two-year resident training program in Forensic Document Examination conducted by the U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Laboratory (USACIL), Fort Gillem, Georgia.

   

   Attendance at numerous courses, workshops, and seminars in Forensic Document Examination including:

       U. S. Secret Service Questioned Document Course

       FBI Fundamentals of Document Examination for Laboratory Personnel School

       FBI Advanced Techniques of Document Examination for Laboratory Personnel - Typewriters and Other Printing Devices

   Education

   

   Master of Science and Bachelor of Science degrees

   

   Professional Organizations

   

   Past-President, American Society of Questioned Document Examiners  (ASQDE)

   

   Member, Questioned Documents Section, American Academy of Forensic Sciences (AAFS)

   

   Member, Southeastern Association of Forensic Document Examiners (SAFDE)

 
   Member, Committee E30 on Forensic Sciences and the Questioned Documents Subcommittee, ASTM International.

 

   Experience

   Former Chief of the Questioned Documents Division, Forensic Document Examiner - U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Laboratory (USACIL)
   

   Former primary instructor for the USACIL's two-year resident training program in Forensic Document Examination

        Testified as expert witness in forensic document examination in courts, hearings, and depositions on more than 150 occasions

       Previous Chairman of the Scientific Working Group for Forensic Document Examination Subcommittee on Standard Operating Procedures and Terminology (SWGDOC)


   Retired Special Agent, U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command (USACIDC)

   
   Publications and Papers


   Previously Editor, Journal of the American Society of Questioned Document Examiners (JASQDE)

        Author of numerous papers and articles on the subject of Forensic Document Examination

   

and

http://www.forensicdocumentlab.com/


John L. Sang is a certified Forensic Document Examiner with a Master's Degree (MS) in Forensic Science from John Jay College of Criminal Justice and recipient of its Graduate Studies Award. He is certified by the American Board of Forensic Document Examiners (ABFDE) and has been a document examiner for over 41 years, first as a Document  Examiner and then Supervisor of the New York City Police Department's Crime Laboratory's Document Section, and has maintained a private practice since 1980.

Mr. Sang was trained as the Forensic Document Examiner in the NYC Police Crime Laboratory, Document Sections under the direct supervision of senior forensic document examiners. In addition to successful completion of primary training, he also attended numerous courses and workshops, in document examination given by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), United States Postal Service, Georgetown University, John Jay College of Criminal Justice and workshops given at the American Academy of Forensic Science , American Society of Questioned Document Examiners, Northeaster Association of Forensic Document Examiners, American Board of Forensic Document Examiners and continues to take addition courses and workshops.

He has provided expert testimony in local, state and federal district courts in New York, New Jersey, Florida, Connecticut and Supreme Court in the High Court of Justice, Federation of Saint Christopher and Nevis.  His reports have been accepted by the United Nations, Unites States Attorney's Office, Federal Bureau of Investigation, United States Secret Service, United States Postal Service, U.S. Customs, Port Authority of New York-New Jersey, as well as many prominent national corporations.  He has also provided expert services to various Legal Aid organizations.

His reports have been accepted by:

♦ The United Nations
♦ Federal Bureau of Investigation
♦ United States Secret Service


♦ United States Postal Service
♦ Port Authority State of New York and New Jersey
♦ Prominent Law Firms


Mr. Sang  has taught, lectured and conducted training at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, University of New Haven, CT, Brooklyn Law School , NYC PD Crime Laboratory and the Police Departments  Advanced and Specialized Training program.  He has served as Vice President of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences (2010-11), five years on the Board of Directors, Section Chair, Secretary  and Program Chair and numerous times as Workshop Chair of the Questioned Document Section (AAFS).  
Services Offered
Mr. Sang as a forensic document examiner makes scientific examinations, comparisons, and analyses of documents in order to establish genuineness or nongenuineness, or to expose forgery and in the case of handwriting or signatures to identify or eliminate persons as the source of handwriting.  In the examination of the overall document, he conducts examination to reveal alterations, additions, or deletions to documents and to identify or eliminate the source of typewriting or other impressions, marks or relative evidence.   He writes reports on his findings,  gives testimony when needed, to aid the users of the examiner’s services in understanding the findings.

this is Howard Rile qualifications
http://rileandhicks.com/howardrile.htm

Howard C. Rile, Jr.
Curriculum Vitae


Howard C. Rile, Jr. is certified by and past president (1997-1999) of the American Board of Forensic Document Examiners, Inc. He is also a member of and past president (2006-2008) of the Executive Board of the American Society of Questioned Document Examiners, Inc. Howard is a member and ex-Membership/Credentials Chairman of the Southwestern Association of Forensic Document Examiners. He is also a member of the Canadian Society of Forensic Science, the Document Section of the American Academy of Forensic Science, and the ASTM. Howard revised a chapter on signatures in Scientific Examination of Questioned Documents, 2nd Edition.

Howard C. Rile, Jr. graduated from California State University at Los Angeles in 1968 with a Bachelor of Science degree in Chemistry. From 1968 to 1972, he worked as a chemist at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, California. Since 1972, he has devoted full time to the study and examination of problems relating to disputed handwriting, signatures, typewriting, and identification of photocopiers, ink, and papers.

From 1972 to 1974, Howard was employed and trained at the firm of Harris and Harris, Examiners of Questioned Documents, at Los Angeles, California. Between 1974 and 1979, Howard was employed by the Los Angeles County Auditor-Controller as a document examiner; and from 1979 to 1983, Howard was the questioned document examiner for the State of Colorado at the Colorado Bureau of Investigation in Denver. Since 1983, Howard has been an independent, private examiner, affiliated with Harris and Harris until 1996.

Howard has qualified and testified as an expert witness in his specialty in more than 500 cases involving criminal and civil matters in federal and/or state courts in California, Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, Hawaii, Kansas, New York, and Wyoming.

The Rile and Hicks office/laboratory is equipped with the full range of scientific instruments needed to conduct the proper examinations of documentary evidence. We also have a reference library consisting of many text books and over 1300 published and unpublished papers and articles pertaining to the field of Forensic Document Examination. A copy of his CV, and a Federal Rule 26 listing of prior testimonities, is available upon request.
Under Daubert, only a forensic document examiner who has been trained and qualified by     Certified by the American Board of Forensic Document Examiners (ABFDE) AND who examined the originals may offer an expert witness testimony.


The 6 certified ABDFE concluded is there any indication that Patsy Ramsey wrote the ransom note, NO there is no indication.

1) Identification
2) Highly probable did write
3) Probably did write
4) Indications did write
5) No conclusion
6) Indications did not write
7) Probably did not write
Cool Highly probable did not write
9) Elimination

or

1) Identification
1.5) Highly probable did write
2) Probably did write
2.5) Indications did write
3) No conclusion
3.5) Indications did not write
4) Probably did not write
4.5) Highly probable did not write
5) Elimination

Patsy scored 8 on a 9 point scale or 4.5 on a 5 point scale, highly probable did not write. For all practical purposes and intents Patsy has been eliminated as the author of the RN based on handwriting alone.


what RDI claim is that Patsy cannot be eliminated therefore Patsy wrote the ransom note

there is no scientific basis for the claim that the handwriting of the ransom note is Patsy's. the scientific expert witness opinion is that Patsy has for all intents and purposes been eliminated.

if forumsforjustice and rdi were committed to justice they would accept that

1- no RDI has any qualifications in trace evidence criminalistics, forensic DNA analysis, and handwriting and linguistics and
2- the expert witness under Daubert who have examined the case and formed an opinion have said the crime scene evidence points to an intruder and the FDE have eliminated Patsy and John as the author, pointing to an intruder.

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