Project Tricia Griffith rebuttal: the truth about Tricia Griffin DNA

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Project Tricia Griffith rebuttal: the truth about Tricia Griffin DNA

Post by redpill on Sun Sep 04, 2016 6:28 pm


this is trasha griffith

Suspect trasha pictured below is an example of an anti-science denialist

this is what she claims
tricia griffith wrote:
Anti-K, this whole forum has example after example after example that an intruder did not commit this crime.

No one can show one scintilla of evidence of an intruder.

As owner, I do my best to stay out of actual discussions about a crime.

The JBR case is the one expection.

Websleuths is a leader in true crime information as well as discussion. People come here to get information. It is imperative we deal with the facts. Not fantasy.

All I ask for are facts and a logical connecting of the dots. Logic and facts.

When I get time I will be going through the forum to make sure the JonBenet Ramsey forum is being held up to the high standards just like all our other forums on Websleuths.

The days of allowing anyone to post anything because it's part of their "theory" are gone. Facts and logic. Very simple.

Tricia is not familiar with the basic facts of the Jonbenet Ramsey case.

This is what Mary Lacy's letter said

As part of its investigation of the JonBenet Ramsey homicide, the Boulder Police identified genetic material with apparent evidentiary value. Over time, the police continued to investigate DNA, including taking advantage of advances in the science and methodology. One of the results of their efforts was that they identified genetic material and a DNA profile from drops of JonBenet’s blood located in the crotch of the underwear she was wearing at the time her body was discovered. That genetic profile belongs to a male and does not belong to anyone in the Ramsey family.

The police department diligently compared that profile to a very large number of people associated with the victim, with her family, and with the investigation, and has not identified the source, innocent or otherwise, of this DNA. The Boulder Police and prosecutors assigned to this investigation in the past also worked conscientiously with laboratory analysts to obtain better results through new approaches and additional tests as they became available. Those efforts ultimately led to the discovery of sufficient genetic markers from this male profile to enter it into the national DNA data bank.

In December of 2002, the Boulder District Attorney’s Office, under Mary T. Lacy, assumed responsibility for the investigation of the JonBenet Ramsey homicide. Since then, this office has worked with the Boulder Police Department to continue the investigation of this crime.

In early August of 2007, District Attorney Lacy attended a Continuing Education Program in West Virginia sponsored by the National Institute of Justice on Forensic Biology and DNA. The presenters discussed successful outcomes from a new methodology described as “touch DNA.” One method for sampling for touch DNA is the “scraping method.” In this process, forensic scientists scrape a surface where there is no observable stain or other indication of possible DNA in an effort to recover for analysis any genetic material that might nonetheless be present. This methodology was not well known in this country until recently and is still used infrequently.

In October of 2007, we decided to pursue the possibility of submitting additional items from the JonBenet Ramsey homicide to be examined using this methodology. We checked with a number of Colorado sources regarding which private laboratory to use for this work. Based upon multiple recommendations, including that of the Boulder Police Department, we contacted the Bode Technology Group located near Washington, D.C., and initiated discussions with the professionals at that laboratory. First Assistant District Attorney Peter Maguire and Investigator Andy Horita spent a full day with staff members at the Bode facility in early December of 2007.

The Bode Technology laboratory applied the “touch DNA” scraping method to both sides of the waist area of the long johns that JonBenet Ramsey was wearing over her underwear when her body was discovered. These sites were chosen because evidence supports the likelihood that the perpetrator removed and/or replaced the long johns, perhaps by handling them on the sides near the waist.

On March 24, 2008, Bode informed us that they had recovered and identified genetic material from both sides of the waist area of the long johns. The unknown male profile previously identified from the inside crotch area of the underwear matched the DNA recovered from the long johns at Bode.

We consulted with a DNA expert from a different laboratory, who recommended additional investigation into the remote possibility that the DNA might have come from sources at the autopsy when this clothing was removed. Additional samples were obtained and then analyzed by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation to assist us in this effort. We received those results on June 27th of this year and are, as a result, confidant that this DNA did not come from innocent sources at the autopsy. As mentioned above, extensive DNA testing had previously excluded people connected to the family and to the investigation as possible innocent sources.

I want to acknowledge my appreciation for the efforts of the Boulder Police Department, Bode Technology Group, the Colorado Bureau of Investigation, and the Denver Police Department Forensic Laboratory for the great work and assistance they have contributed to this investigation.

The unexplained third party DNA on the clothing of the victim is very significant and powerful evidence. It is very unlikely that there would be an innocent explanation for DNA found at three different locations on two separate items of clothing worn by the victim at the time of her murder. This is particularly true in this case because the matching DNA profiles were found on genetic material from inside the crotch of the victim’s underwear and near the waist on both sides of her long johns, and because concerted efforts that might identify a source, and perhaps an innocent explanation, were unsuccessful.

in other words they found the same DNA in 3 different locations on 2 separate articles of clothing.

this is what Mark Beckner said

• Yes, you can often tell where DNA comes from. In this case, it is small enough that it is difficult to tell. CBI thought it was either sweat or saliva."

• "The suspect is the donator of that unknown DNA, and until you can prove otherwise, I think that's the way you've got to look at it."

the DNA is evidence of an intruder.

now Tricia and her thugs and psychopaths at Forumsforjustice deny this.

let's look at Tricia's qualification

Host Tricia Griffith is a veteran radio disc jockey and owner of and owner of Forums for

so a veteran radio disck jokey who probably dropped out of high school, possibly never attended college, is calling forensic DNA evidence not a "scintilla of evidence of an intruder"

Mary Lacy explains how she arrived at her conclusion

We consulted with a DNA expert

this is an example of the qualifications of a DNA expert


Norah Rudin

View Norah's curriculum vitae.

Norah Rudin holds a B.A. from Pomona College and a Ph.D. from Brandeis University. She is a member of the California Association of Criminalists, the American Academy of Forensic Sciences, and a Diplomate of the American Board of Criminalistics. After completing a post-doctoral fellowship at Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, she served three years as a full-time consultant/technical leader for the California Department of Justice DNA Laboratory and has also served as consulting technical leader for the Idaho Department of Law Enforcement DNA Laboratory, the San Francisco Crime Laboratory DNA Section, and the San Diego County Sheriff’s Department DNA Laboratory. Dr. Rudin has co-authored An Introduction to DNA Forensic Analysis and Principles and Practice of Criminalistics: The Profession of Forensic Science. She is also the author of the Dictionary of Modern Biology. Dr. Rudin has taught a variety of general forensic and forensic DNA courses for the University of California at Berkeley extension and on-line. She is frequently invited to speak at various legal symposia and forensic conferences, and recently served a guberatorial appointment to the Virginia Department of Forensic Science Scientific Advisory Committee. She is currently co-chair of the Constitution Project Committee on DNA Collection. She remains active as an independent consultant and expert witness in forensic DNA.

Dr. Rudin and Mr. Inman have formed the non-profit company SCIEG (Scientific Collaboration, Innovation, and Education) for the purpose of developing Lab Retriever, a software tool to perform likelihood ratios with a probability of drop-out, and more generally to further forensic science education in general.


Address: DNA Diagnostics Center
One DDC Way
Fairfield, Ohio 45014
Ph.D. – Genetics The University of Chicago 1978
Chicago, Illinois 60637
M.A. - Biology State University of New York 1973
New Paltz, New York 12566
B.A. - Biology Drew University 1971
Madison, New Jersey 07940
Laboratory Director DNA Diagnostics Center 2002 - present
Senior Director Orchid Diagnostics 2001 - 2002
Laboratory Operations
Vice President Lifecodes Corporation 1992 -2001
Laboratory Operations
Director Business Lifecodes Corporation 1990 - 1992
Director of Forensics Lifecodes Corporation 1986 - 1990
and Paternity
Senior Scientist Lifecodes Corporation 1982 - 1986
Adjunct Assistant New York Medical College 1986 - 1992
Research Associate Columbia University 1979 - 1982
Postdoctoral Fellow University of Michigan 1978 - 1979


The American Academy of Forensic Sciences American Association for the Advancement
of Science

American Association of Blood Banks American Society of Hematology American Society of Human Genetics Sigma Chi Society

International Society for Forensic Genetic American Society of Crime Laboratory Directors American Society of Histocompatibility and


1. New York State Department of Health Certificate of Qualification Number B 3447 Histocompatability (HLA typing with DNA probes) Paternity/Identity Analysis

2. State of Connecticut Department of Health Certificate of Qualification Number 381 Clinical Laboratory Director

3. Department of Health & Human Services Laboratory Registration Certificate CLIA ID # 07D0880801

4. American Society of Histocompatability
and Immunogenetics, Laboratory Directorof Histocompatbility Laboratory

Professional Society Positions Held:

American Association of Blood Banks, Chair Parentage Testing Accreditation Program Unit, Liaison to Parentage Testing Standards Committee, Member of Accreditation Program Committee, Assessor of Parentage Testing Laboratories for AABB
Human Identity Trade Association, President
American Society of Histocompatibility and Immunogenetics, Inspector



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let's review Tricia griffin again

Host Tricia Griffith is a veteran radio disc jockey and owner of and owner of Forums for

we have someone who never attended college, never studied science, never studied forensics.

she didn't even go to the library and book store and study

she's never even read 1 book on forensics, and it is clear in her statements she is ignorant of the most basic aspects of forensic science.

and she's claiming that the DNA evidence, evaluated and reviewed by DNA expert witness, who arrived at his conclusions based on forensic science reasoning, is wrong.

and she and her thugs at forusmforjustice websleuth topix reddit call it justice - who never studied any forensics, who show no knowledge of the most basic facts of forensic science - to reject the conclusions of an DNA expert witness, that an intruder murdered Jonbenet Ramsey.

for the perverts at forumsforjustice, their perverse sense of justice consists of rejecting the conclusions of a DNA expert witness, forensic science, in favor of their own lynch the Ramsey agenda.

actual justice for Jonbenet would involve accepting the conclusion of forensic scientific expert witnesses who conclude

• "The suspect is the donator of that unknown DNA, and until you can prove otherwise, I think that's the way you've got to look at it.

in other words, an intruder.

and then attempting to provide leads as to who this intruder may be.

there are a very long list of killers whose identities are unknown from the zodiac killer to jack the ripper to EARS/ONS to Tylenol poisoner OCCK to LISK. there's no question that there is a killer, only question is who. in the case of Jonbenet ramsey actual justice would involve accepting the conclusions of scientific expert witnesses, explaining to the public, the lay public how forensic science actually works and how science leads to the conclusion an intruder murdered Jonbenet Ramsey, and offer leads as to who this intruder may be.

each and every poster on topix, forumsforjusticice, websleuths, reddit, who promotes RDI promotes anti-science fringe and is acting in opposition to justice. basically a lynch mob. no RDI has ever studied any forensic science at any time ever. yet they are convinced based on no science that the parents did it, and they call this "justice".

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