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revisiting Jonbenet-Tracy Neef same killer theory part 1 intro

Post by redpill on Tue Mar 31, 2015 10:39 pm

Jonbenet



Tracy Neef







Thorton Co is 20 miles away from Boulder Co


there's no reported DNA for Tracy Neef's killer, nor other trace evidence like fiber, hair, fingerprint, to match to Jonbenet so the next best evidence is behavior.

Scott Kimball is named a suspect based on behavior.
http://www.dailycamera.com/ci_16350451

According to a cold case blog maintained by the Denver Post, Neef wasn't found buried but rather lying on her side, clothed in her jeans and T-shirt.

Kimball, who is serving a 70-year prison sentence at Sterling Correctional Facility for the murder of three women and his uncle in 2003 and 2004, has come under scrutiny by law enforcement officials for his possible role in other murders and missing-person cases.

Pelle said the FBI has set up a special task force to deal exclusively with possible Kimball-related cases.

Fox 31 News reported that Kimball could be under investigation in at least 17 murders. FBI spokesman Dave Joly said he was unable to comment on the station's claim.

The most recent case being linked to Kimball involves the brutal murder of Catrina Powell, a 26-year-old transient last seen on Colfax Avenue in Denver in October 2004. Her body, which had chemical burns, was found behind a strip mall in Westminster. Her hands had been severed.

re: Jonbenet and Tracy Neef, they are about same age, similar appearance, lived 20 miles apart


http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcase...off-at-school/

First-grader vanishes after mom drops her off at school

Names: Tracy Marie Neef, 7
Location kidnapped: Bertha Heid Elementary School in Thornton
Agency: Thornton Police Department
Date disappeared: March 16, 1984
Cause of Deathasphyxiation
Suspect: None identified

Seven-year-old Tracy Marie Neef was wearing a t-shirt that said “I don’t look for trouble” when she ran through a gate at Bertha Heid Elementary School on March 16, 1984 and vanished.
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The mystery of who intercepted her that day has troubled Thornton homicide detectives, the Colorado Bureau of Investigation and FBI agents and Boulder County sheriff’s investigators for 24 years.

Tracy’s body was found in a small grassy area between rocks a quarter-mile west of Barker Dam near Nederland, between a dirt road and the reservoir.

Since her death, the circumstances leading to Tracy’s murder have been scrutinized by more than 100 local, county, state and federal investigators.

Detectives looked at every known sex offender in Colorado.

But key evidence that might have led to the killer was either destroyed or lost, Thornton Crimes Against Persons Det. Doug Parker said.

“Many circumstances worked against the investigation from the beginning,” he said.

On the day she disappeared, Tracy watched cartoons in her home, which was about six blocks from school. She went with her mom as Susan Neef delivered newspapers to neighbors.

At 8:16 a.m. Susan Neef drove her daughter to school. Because she was 10 minutes late, there were no other kids outside on the north side of Bertha Heid, Parker said.
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Also because she was late, the door on the north end of the school was locked, Parker said.

Susan watched Tracy run to an opening in the chain-link fence surrounding the school, carrying a red school bag with her Pacman lunch box inside

Susan Neef watched her daughter walk through the gate to the front entrance on the south side of the school.

Watch video: Aerials of Bertha Heid Elementary

She never entered the school. Tracy likely met her killer while trying to find a way into the school, Parker said.

“There is nothing to indicate that anyone from the school had anything to do with it,” he said.

Poze Boulevard is a heavily traveled street that curves around the school. In all likelihood, someone who knew her called the girl to a car or a stranger grabbed her and forced her into their car, Parker said.

Tracy’s father, Gary Neef, of Commerce City, a carpenter who remodels homes, said it is possible that someone who knew Tracy met her there.

“Tracy wasn’t the type who would go to somebody she didn’t know,” he said.

A few weeks earlier, she had called him when his wife was late picking her up, Neef said. When he got to school Tracy was standing next to her teacher, sobbing.

At 1:30 p.m. the day Tracy disappeared, a man found her red school bag next to a dirt road at Barker Reservoir in Boulder County.

At 2:45 p.m., Susan Neef drove to school to pick her daughter up. She waited for a few minutes then drove home to see if her daughter had walked home. Then she drove back to the school and spoke with her daughter’s teacher, who said Tracy had never come to school.

Gary Neef’s boss paged him and he called his wife, who was crying. Together they drove around the neighborhood until 4 p.m., and then called 911, Gary Neef said.

The investigation of Tracy’s disappearance started after all the teachers and students had gone home for the day, Parker said. It wouldn’t be until Monday that police were able to question them about anything they may have seen. Nobody had seen Tracy disappear, Parker said.

A couple discovered Tracy’s body at 4:45 p.m.

Tracy was found lying sideways with her knees bent together and her hands lying palm down on her belly. Her school supplies were scattered around her body.

“It appeared like she was placed there and not thrown there,” Parker said.

Tracy had a scratch on her right cheek and one above her left eye that appeared to be caused by a fingernail. The marks may have been caused as the kidnapper tried to control Tracy after pulling her into his car.

Tracy had ligature marks on both wrists indicating she had been tied with a rope or cord, Parker said. Some rapists and killers carry abduction tools like rope with them in their cars, he said.

She waswearing her jeans and t-shirt.

It was a key piece of evidence along with other signs that Tracy may have died before the kidnapper could sexually assault her, Parker said.

A ligature mark on her right chin that may have been caused by a coat strap is another clue. While trying to silence Tracy, the killer may have tied her coat so tightly above her mouth that she could not breathe, he said. While her kidnapper may have intended to kill Tracy from the moment he saw her, killing her may have been an act of desparation or a mistake, Parker said.

Tracy’s autopsy later showed that she died of asphyxiation, Parker said.

Tracy was found lying sideways with her knees bent together and her hands lying palm down on her belly. Her school supplies were scattered around her body.
“It appeared like she was placed there and not thrown there,” Parker said.
Tracy had a scratch on her right cheek and one above her left eye that appeared to be caused by a fingernail. The marks may have been caused as the kidnapper tried to control Tracy after pulling her into his car.
Tracy had ligature marks on both wrists indicating she had been tied with a rope or cord, Parker said. Some rapists and killers carry abduction tools like rope with them in their cars, he said.
She waswearing her jeans and t-shirt.
It was a key piece of evidence along with other signs that Tracy may have died before the kidnapper could sexually assault her, Parker said.
A ligature mark on her right chin that may have been caused by a coat strap is another clue. While trying to silence Tracy, the killer may have tied her coat so tightly above her mouth that she could not breathe, he said. While her kidnapper may have intended to kill Tracy from the moment he saw her, killing her may have been an act of desparation or a mistake, Parker said.
Tracy’s autopsy later showed that she died of asphyxiation, Parker said.
Although there were signs that Tracy was molested, the attacker did not remove her clothes or rape her, indications the kidnapper may have changed his plans after killing the girl prematurely, Parker said.
The fact that Tracy’s body was left so close to a well-traveled road, Highway 119, may indicate the killer panicked and quickly disposed of the body.

Tracy’s school bag was found about 100 feet from her body. It may have been thrown out the window of a car as the killer was driving away and realized he still had it with him, Parker said.

Homicide detectives estimated Tracy took her last breath between 10:30 a.m. and noon based on accounts of people who drove on the dirt road that day and when her school bag was seen.

A coroner discovered two hairs that could have belonged to the killer during an autopsy.

One found on Tracy’s shoe was lost while it was handled over the years by Thornton detectives, FBI experts and Denver crime laboratory investigators, Parker said.

Another found near Tracy’s pubic area, was contaminated during DNA testing in 1998. The testing only proved useful in 2006 when a Denver University DNA expert was able to exclude two longstanding suspects, he said.

There are no other suspects, Parker said.

Gary Neef said investigators never told him about the hairs.

“That’s all the evidence they had,” Gary Neef said. “Now with no DNA we’ll never know who did it unless the killer confesses.”

Over the years, he said he coped by telling himself that the killer likely committed more terrible crimes, got caught and is rotting in prison.

Tracy’s death led a year later to her parents’ divorce, Gary Neef said.

“We kind of blamed each other and grew apart,” he said.

He said his wife Susan left the state with his 6-year-old son and he didn’t hear from them for 10 years.

Parker said police have not received any new leads in the case in many years.


note the DNA is hair, which therefore is mitochondrial. Jonbenet' DNA was nuclear.

the behavioral similarities it appears that she was restrained with ligature, and was ligature strangulated. these are shared with Jonbenet.

it almost sounds as if the killer had brought with him ligature and bindings and when he saw an opportunity took it. he was in effect hunting for a victim, much like Siobhan McGuinness.

since the killer presumably lives or has ties to Thorton Co, he may have heard of Jonbenet and developed an interest in killing her as well, in nearby Boulder, Co.

What Jonbenet and Tracy Neef have in common, age, location, blonde, similar height weight, ligature for binding, strangulation, deposing the body in a highly visible place where it would be quickly found, fully clothed. possibly a thrill kill.

Tracy Neef was dropped off at Betheda Heid elementary. She apparently never entered the school, although if she had she may have been abducted and never made it to class.

Since Tracy Neef was murdered first in March 1984, he had plenty of time to improve his skillset by the time he may have murdered Jonbenet in Dec 1996.

If Jonbenet and Tracy Neef were killed by the same killer, then it appears this killer was possibly a thrill killer. Jonbenet and Tracy Neef was killed as a kind of sport or entertainment. This killer had no vendetta against John Ramsey. He just wanted to kill Jonbenet as he had Tracy Neef b/c thats is victim preference.
Tracy Neef was last seen 8:16 a.m. and by 4:45 pm a couple found her dead in a highly visible place.

in part 2 i'll identify 2 possible suspects

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Post by redpill on Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:32 am

searchinGirl wrote:Thanks. I’ll let you know when it’s done. Think about Tracy Neef next. Conversation is heating up about that case and JBR.

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if you want you can post my jbr-tracy neef same killer theory under stranger intruder theories

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Post by searchinGirl on Sun Sep 23, 2018 2:39 pm

Sure.

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Post by searchinGirl on Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:26 pm

Closed Eyes Who’s killing our children? By J.D. Benish

This book, which the Author refers to as a novel, is written by a former detective who worked the case. I’m wondering if you’re familiar with it?

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Post by redpill on Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:26 pm

searchinGirl wrote:Sure.

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11 Violent Crime Linkage Analysis System (ViCLAS)

i. Mr. Cruel JBR Behavioral Case Linkage Analysis
ii. JBR Tracy Neef Behavioral Case Linkage Analysis

Internet Poster redpill is familair with the unsolved murder of Tracy Neef, 7 who disappeared while dropped off at Thorton Elementary school on March 16, 1984 and was found murdered 4:45pm later that day in a small grassy area between rocks a quarter-mile west of Barker Dam near Nederland, between a dirt road and the reservoir, in Thorton Colorado, 25 miles South of Boulder Colorado.

Tracy Neef's killer was never identified. Due to both the proximity of Thorton Colorado to Boulder Colorado, possible indications of a Behavioral Case Linkage Analysis the similar ages of 6 and 7 and appearance, both Tracy Neef and Jonbenet Ramsey are white, female, blue eyes and blonde, redpill suggests a link by same killer due to his location and his desire to obtain another victim. As Tracy Neef was abducted March 16, 1984 and Jonbenet Ramsey was found murdered in her home Dec 26, 1996, there is plenty of time for the killer to gain experience. Other possible indications is that Tracy Neef body had ligature marks, like Jonbenet Ramsey, and that there appeared to be an attempt on a sexual assault in both victims.

Behavioral Case Linkage Analysis only suggests 2 crimes may be linked by the same offender by behavior, victimology, location, MO and signature analysis. It does not offer any insights as to the offender itself.
One way to support this Behavioral Case Linkage Analysis is finding the same DNA on both victims.








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Post by redpill on Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:27 pm

searchinGirl wrote:Closed Eyes Who’s killing our children? By J.D. Benish

This book, which the Author refers to as a novel, is written by a former detective who worked the case. I’m wondering if you’re familiar with it?

i have not heard of it, but i promoted the tracy neef theory since i think my websleuth days in 2009,

tracy neef sounds oddly familiar

https://www.websleuths.com › ... › SPECIFIC CASE FORUMS › JonBenet Ramsey

Jun 19, 2009 - All I know of Tracy Neef's death is contained in this post, I do not have any additional information. Reading her death it sounds rather familiar....

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Post by searchinGirl on Sun Sep 23, 2018 6:01 pm

Actually, TN was found in Boulder County at the top of Boulder Canyon. It the last thing you pass before getting to Nederland. It’s directly west of Boulder and about 25 Miles from Thornton. JonBenet’s house is a about a mile, maybe two from the bottom of the Canyon. To me that is significant. I’m location oriented.

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Post by redpill on Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:15 pm

searchinGirl wrote:Actually, TN was found in Boulder County at the top of Boulder Canyon. It the last thing you pass before getting to Nederland. It’s directly west of Boulder and about 25 Miles from Thornton. JonBenet’s house is a about a mile, maybe two from the bottom of the Canyon. To me that is significant. I’m location oriented.

i did not know that. thanks. feel free to add details if you wish.

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Post by searchinGirl on Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:28 pm

https://youtu.be/M4hf43Gr_Us

This is a super fast drive down Boulder Canyon starting at Barker Dam. It ends in Louisville, due west of Thornton. I would say this is two thirds of the drive the killer took to get up the Canyon only going the other way. You can see it’s a one road pass from Boulder to Nederland. In Nederland you’re getting pretty close to the Continental Divide, and there is plenty of wilderness all around. Th turnoffs you see lead to more wilderness. Lots of crimes have been committed up there.

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Post by redpill on Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:42 pm

searchinGirl wrote:https://youtu.be/M4hf43Gr_Us

This is a super fast drive down Boulder Canyon starting at Barker Dam. It ends in Louisville, due west of Thornton. I would say this is two thirds of the drive the killer took to get up the Canyon only going the other way. You can see it’s a one road pass from Boulder to Nederland. In Nederland you’re getting pretty close to the Continental Divide, and there is plenty of wilderness all around. Th turnoffs you see lead to more wilderness. Lots of crimes have been committed up there.
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