why forumsforjustice JonBenet Ramsey RDI posters are extremely incompetent and ignorant

tricia griffith wrote:
Anti-K, this whole forum has example after example after example that an intruder did not commit this crime.

No one can show one scintilla of evidence of an intruder.

As owner, I do my best to stay out of actual discussions about a crime.

The JBR case is the one expection.

Websleuths is a leader in true crime information as well as discussion. People come here to get information. It is imperative we deal with the facts. Not fantasy.

All I ask for are facts and a logical connecting of the dots. Logic and facts.

When I get time I will be going through the forum to make sure the JonBenet Ramsey forum is being held up to the high standards just like all our other forums on Websleuths.

The days of allowing anyone to post anything because it's part of their "theory" are gone. Facts and logic. Very simple.

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delmar england wrote:
Letter to Boulder Colorado District Attorney, Mary Keenan

The crime scene consisted of an obviously bogus multi-page "ransom note" utilizing local materials. JonBenet's body was left in the basement of the Ramsey home with crude trappings falling woefully short of presenting a convincing kidnap\murder scene as it was intended to do. Even without pointing out more of a very long list of corroborating facts, the bogus note and inept staging is more than sufficient to isolate the perpetrators to the Ramsey household. Only a few minutes in examining and evaluating the evidence is required to reach this conclusion. It is impossible to reach any other conclusion on the facts. There was and is no evidentiary reason to look anywhere else. The only mystery to be solved was and is which Ramsey did what in relation to JonBenet's death.

Although it is not possible to reach any other conclusion from the evidence, it is possible to ignore the evidence and mentally invent "evidence" to take the place of truth and keep it hidden. Prompted by preconceived notions set in a context of money and political influence in conjunction with investigative cowardice and incompetence, this is precisely what has been going on for over six years.

delmar wrote:
Handwriting? Patsy has not been ruled out by several examiners. By my own analysis, not of the writing, but of the mind match between the note and Patsy is clear. This is explained in my analysis of the "ransom note." So far, neither you nor anyone else has quoted and challenged it. So, to say the handwriting does not match the Ramseys, thus all Ramseys are excluded as author, is just another arbitrary declaration without substance. Note the exclusion of Ramseys necessarily depends on the intruder idea of no factual substance.

DNA? So, it does not match the family. So what? Who does it match? Unknown? If unknown, how can it be known to connect to the crime and be "evidence?" If the source of this DNA were known, then factually connected to the crime scene, then it is evidence. Absence this, it is just more speculation that caters to intruder mental creation.

Does the DNA have to be connected to the crime? Could it not be from a benign source totally removed from the crime scene? Again, the alleged evidence evidences nothing except itself with no known connection to the crime. No outsider as perpetrator is required to explain the DNA since no connection is known as crime related.

The same is true for boot print, hairs, fibers, etc.. A close look into anyone's house would most likely turn up all sorts of things whose source were unknown whether there is a crime or not. To call something whose source and cause is unknown as evidence is to say it causal related while simultaneously saying cause is unknown, thus relationship unknown; more "negative evidence." If my recollection of high school Latin is correct, this could be called "ignotium per ignotius", the unknown by the more unknown.

This "Ramsey defense" "thinking" is a direct and absurd contradiction that is without limit. With this kind of "investigative latitude", I dare say that one could "prove" anything; or at least, convince the deluded self that he or she has done so. "negative evidence?" Surely, thou jest. I repeat: All known evidence is local.

delmar england wrote:
For every "could be", there is a "could be not", therefore, inconclusive until cause is known. Right? No thing is evidence until evidentiary cause is known. Right? Are we in agreement so far? If not, please point out what you think is my error in thinking, and why you think it is error.

A shoe print is found in the basement whose cause is unknown. It "could be" evidence of an intruder. "Could be not" is forgotten and "evidence" of an intruder is declared to be fact. There is a palm print with cause unknown; a rope with source unknown that "could be" something brought in by an intruder; an unidentified fiber, a baseball bat that "could have" been used by the intruder; a bit of dirt or leaves at a window well which "could have" been disturbed by an intruder. The list goes on and on and on.

This massive "evidence" stated to be more consistent with a theory of intruder than Ramsey guilt is hot air, nothing more than a string of unknowns verbally laced together on "could be", simultaneously divorced from the known, and declared to be much evidence of an intruder. Ridiculous to the max. No wonder no one will step forward and answer questions about alleged evidence of an alleged intruder. Its indefensible.

The beauty of truth is that it is consistent. Every fact is a complement of and blends with every other fact without contradiction. The presence of a contradiction is also the presence of error. Are we in agreement up to this point?

DNA? So, it does not match the family. So what? Who does it match? Unknown? If unknown, how can it be known to connect to the crime and be "evidence?" If the source of this DNA were known, then factually connected to the crime scene, then it is evidence. Absence this, it is just more speculation that caters to intruder mental creation.

Does the DNA have to be connected to the crime? Could it not be from a benign source totally removed from the crime scene? Again, the alleged evidence evidences nothing except itself with no known connection to the crime. No outsider as perpetrator is required to explain the DNA since no connection is known as crime related


The same is true for boot print, hairs, fibers, etc.. A close look into anyone's house would most likely turn up all sorts of things whose source were unknown whether there is a crime or not. To call something whose source and cause is unknown as evidence is to say it causal related while simultaneously saying cause is unknown, thus relationship unknown; more "negative evidence." If my recollection of high school Latin is correct, this could be called "ignotium per ignotius", the unknown by the more unknown.

This "Ramsey defense" "thinking" is a direct and absurd contradiction that is without limit. With this kind of "investigative latitude", I dare say that one could "prove" anything; or at least, convince the deluded self that he or she has done so. "negative evidence?" Surely, thou jest. I repeat: All known evidence is local.

delmar england wrote:The same is true for boot print, hairs, fibers, etc.. A close look into anyone's house would most likely turn up all sorts of things whose source were unknown whether there is a crime or not. To call something whose source and cause is unknown as evidence is to say it causal related while simultaneously saying cause is unknown, thus relationship unknown; more "negative evidence." If my recollection of high school Latin is correct, this could be called "ignotium per ignotius", the unknown by the more unknown.

delmar endgland wrote:
A shoe print is found in the basement whose cause is unknown. It "could be" evidence of an intruder. "Could be not" is forgotten and "evidence" of an intruder is declared to be fact. There is a palm print with cause unknown; a rope with source unknown that "could be" something brought in by an intruder; an unidentified fiber, a baseball bat that "could have" been used by the intruder; a bit of dirt or leaves at a window well which "could have" been disturbed by an intruder. The list goes on and on and on.

The same is true for boot print, hairs, fibers, etc.. A close look into anyone's house would most likely turn up all sorts of things whose source were unknown whether there is a crime or not. To call something whose source and cause is unknown as evidence is to say it causal related while simultaneously saying cause is unknown, thus relationship unknown; more "negative evidence." If my recollection of high school Latin is correct, this could be called "ignotium per ignotius", the unknown by the more unknown.

7 Emile Gourbin
Trace Analysis
Edmond Locard was a pioneering criminologist referred to as the “Sherlock Holmes of France.” Today, he is best remembered for Locard’s exchange principle, an essential postulate of forensics which is best summed up as “every contact leaves a trace.” He proved this concept on multiple occasions, such as the murder of Marie Latelle in 1912.Marie was found strangled in her parents’ home in Lyon. Police suspected her boyfriend, Emile Gourbin, but he produced a group of witnesses who testified that he had played cards with them that evening until late at night. It seemed like Gourbin had an airtight alibi, but Locard put his principle to the test. If the boyfriend had strangled Marie, then his hands had come into contact with her neck. Locard scraped underneath Gourbin’s fingernails and found tissue, but it was impossible to prove with current technology that it belonged to Marie. However, the scientist also found pink particles containing bismuth, zinc oxide, magnesium stearate, and a certain iron oxide pigment called Venetian red.[4]It was face powder. Not only that, but the product was rare enough that Locard tracked down a druggist who claimed he only prepared that custom mixture for Marie Latelle. The evidence prompted a confession from Gourbin. On the night of the murder, he had waited until his card buddies were drunk enough not to notice him setting the clock ahead a few hours, thus providing himself with an alibi.

1 Andreas Schlicher
Forensic Geology

Knowing who the killer is and being able to prove it are two very different things. In 1908, German authorities would not have been able to convict the killer of Margarethe Filbert without the pioneering geoforensics work of scientist Georg Popp. Filbert’s headless body was found on May 30 in a field near Falkenstein Valley in Bavaria. Many pointed the finger at a local farmer and poacher with a violent temper named Andreas Schlicher.Police found traces of human blood on his clothes and under his fingernails, but this was not enough to prove that he was guilty. His rifle, ammo, and a pair of trousers were found nearby in an abandoned castle.According to testimony, Schlicher’s wife cleaned his shoes the night before the murder. The farmer said he hadn’t been to the scene of the crime or the castle since then. In fact, he claimed he had only walked his own fields and, therefore, only soil from his property should have been present on his shoes.Popp proved this was a lie. The three regions all had quite distinctive soil. The earth at the scene of the crime was rich in decomposed red sandstone, angular quartz, and ferruginous clay. The soil from the castle contained coal and brick dust from crumbling walls. Schlicher’s farmland was rich in mica, porphyry, and milky quartz.[10]On the suspect’s shoes, Popp found soil from the first two areas but not the third. Moreover, he found brown and purple fibers which he matched to the victim’s skirt. A jury found Schlicher guilty, which prompted his confession.

2 The Saturday Night Strangler
DNA Profile

DNA has certainly revolutionized the way we investigate crimes. Even the smallest drop of blood or a single strand of hair can put a killer behind bars.Other times, you don’t even need to have the culprit’s DNA. A sample from a relative can indicate a familial match and put investigators on the right track. This technique has been in the news a lot recently thanks to several high-profile murders being solved through familial DNA, but it’s been used successfully for decades.

The farmer said he hadn’t been to the scene of the crime or the castle since then. In fact, he claimed he had only walked his own fields and, therefore, only soil from his property should have been present on his shoes.Popp proved this was a lie. The three regions all had quite distinctive soil. The earth at the scene of the crime was rich in decomposed red sandstone, angular quartz, and ferruginous clay. The soil from the castle contained coal and brick dust from crumbling walls. Schlicher’s farmland was rich in mica, porphyry, and milky quartz.[10]On the suspect’s shoes, Popp found soil from the first two areas but not the third. Moreover, he found brown and purple fibers which he matched to the victim’s skirt. A jury found Schlicher guilty, which prompted his confession