docG and Jonbenet's killer has no reason to leave a ransom note and body behind

detective pinkie wrote:
Hold yourself to the same standards - explain why an intruder would leave a body and a note, simply and believably

tawny wrote:
the fail in logic is astounding.

This is an example of NO IDI explanation. Why would an intruder hide her body? Seriously, please answer that for me. Why would an intruder hide her body rather than take her with them and dump her, or leave her where she was? Did an intruder seriously believe she would NEVER EVER be found inside the house?

Serious question: Why would an intruder hide her body in a dark room in a basement?

If he wanted to ensure it was found, why hide it? If he had to bug out, not taking the kidnapped-turned-murdered with him, why did he leave the note?

Delay discovery to what end? If he were bugging out, why would he care when, where, and how she's found?

It makes zero logical sense.

ukguy wrote:
Mama2JML,
Why does an intruder need to bother with a RN at all, all that sitting around authoring a RN, increases the risk of being caught.

No JonBenet in the house tells its own story, when followed up with a ransom phone call, no RN is required.

There is no IDI explanation forthcoming as to why the said intruder did not remove JonBenet from the house, which is just as inconsistent as any staged kidnapping leaving JonBenet in the house!

Intruder plan of action: Enter Ramsey household remove JonBenet, dead or alive, relocate to the boot of awaiting car, then simply drive away. Next day phone ransom demands. Total time to execute less than fifteen minutes!

nimyat of reddit wrote:
There is absolutely 0 reason to start to write a draft ransom note and then write the real thing and make it that ridiculously long.

If it was a premeditated kidnapping, ('hid in the house' theory) why the fuck wouldn't you bring a ransome note with you and why the hell would you start to draft one and then write one on paper found in the house.

If it was a burglary turned kidnapping, why would you start to draft a ransom note, and then write the real thing 4 pages long? You would scribble something like "I've taken your daughter, dont contact police, deposit money at this location at this time if you want to see her again." A panicked burglar does not sit and start writing about his 'organisation'.

A lot of people get bogged down in the details of the case, because it is a fascinating one and it is very interesting, but the ransom note is the most ridiculous thing ever and was totally written by one of the family in my opinion. They also completely over thought it - mentioning the fathers business, his bonus, writing 4 pages worth etc.

There's no way the family wasn't involved. As for which one did it, that is what is hard to prove.

docg wrote:

Questions

An intruder intending to express his anger or disdain for the Ramseys would have had no reason to write a meaningless ransom note. A kidnapper would not have left both the note and the body. If the parents were involved in this together, as so many assume, such a note might serve to throw the police off the track, but only if the body were found, days later, in some remote area. Or never found. With the body hidden in the house, where it is sure to be discovered, the note only creates problems for the Ramseys, the only ones who could "logically" have written it. If they were not planning on getting the body out of the house before the police came, then why would they write an obviously phony note?

Also, why was the note hand printed? Why not print it via computer? Or paste words together from newspapers? If the parents, or anyone at all close to the family, wrote it, they would be risking exposure for sure.

Answers

No intruder would have had anything to gain by writing the ransom note. No intruder would have any reason to write it. A kidnapper would have taken the child (or her body) with him. If something had gone wrong with his plan, he would have had no reason to leave a possibly incriminating note. Someone intending to frame John or Patsy would not have written the note in his own hand, as that would be evidence of an intruder. The conclusion is simple: there was no kidnapper. There was no intruder. The note must have been written by someone on the inside -- and it does indeed read like a staged kidnapping attempt.

Marina Lonina is accused of using an app to livestream the alleged rape of a 17-year-old girl. Photo: AP
A US teenager accused of livestreaming the alleged rape of her 17-year-old friend has pleaded not guilty to multiple charges stemming from the incident in February.

Eighteen-year-old Marina Lonina – a student at New Albany High School, outside Columbus, Ohio – was attempting to record the assault as evidence, the woman's attorney, Sam Shamansky said during a court appearance on Friday.

"She's in the habit of filming everything with this app called Periscope – does, in fact, film this encounter," Mr Shamansky said. "She does everything possible to contain the situation even to the point of asking while it's being filmed to these Periscope followers, 'What should I do now? What should I do now?'"
Marina Lonina is accused of using an app to livestream the alleged rape of a 17-year-old girl.

Marina Lonina is accused of using an app to livestream the alleged rape of a 17-year-old girl. Photo: AP

A judge set Lonina's bond at $US125,000 ($159,000).

Her co-defendant, 29-year-old Raymond Gates, also pleaded not guilty and his bond was set at $US300,000, according to CBS News.

The pair have been charged with rape, kidnapping, sexual battery and pandering sexually oriented matter involving a minor. If convicted, each faces up to 40 years in prison.
Raymond Gates, 29, has pleaded not guilty to rape and other related charges.

Raymond Gates, 29, has pleaded not guilty to rape and other related charges. Photo: AP

Lonina was also charged with illegal use of a minor in a nudity-oriented material or performance, the Associated Press reported.

Lonina and the 17-year-old victim – friends who attended the same high school – met Gates at a mall while they were shopping, Shamansky said. He bought them a bottle of vodka and encouraged them to meet the next day, which the victim wanted to do, he said.

"My client is along for the ride, so to speak," Mr Shamansky added.

They were drinking at Gates' home in Columbus on February 27 when he began to sexually assault the 17-year-old and Lonina began livestreaming the violence using Periscope, Franklin County Prosecutor Ron O'Brien said.

A police report accused Gates of holding the victim down using the weight of his body while assaulting her.

The report also says teenager can be heard screaming "No, it hurts so much"; "Please stop"; and "Please, no" multiple times.

On Friday, Mr O'Brien disputed the idea that Lonina was acting in the best interest of the victim when she began filming the assault, according to WCMH. Initially, he said, she thought her actions would prevent the assault. But, he added: "She got caught up in the 'likes'."

"I have never seen a case such as this where you would actually livestream a sexual assault," he said. "Based on the video that I saw it didn't appear for the most part of it that she was attempting to help the victim."

A night earlier, Mr O'Brien noted, Lonina had also taken an illicit photo of the girl.

Mr O'Brien said authorities became aware of the incident when a friend of the victim saw the images and alerted police.

Mr Shamansky told the courtroom that his client was an ordinary teenager who was taken advantage of by a predatory adult.

"She's a good kid," Mr Shamansky said. "She's a senior in high school. Comes from a fine family and is the furthest thing from a rapist . . . The rapist was in court and it was not my client."

On its website, Periscope – a Twitter-owned app for smartphones that uses video for streaming – is described as "the closest thing to teleportation."

"A picture may be worth a thousand words, but live video can take you someplace and show you around," the description says.

Periscope did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

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