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Project Tricia Griffith rebuttal: the truth about the tricia griffith and forumsforjustice
by redpill Tue Jul 26, 2016 1:11 am
this is trasha griffith
trasha pictured below is an example of an anti-science denialist
this is what she claims
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?76520-Patsy-Ramsey/page92
this is her qualifications
in other words she has ZERO qualifications in forensic science. she has no training in forensic fiber, trace evidence, DNA yet she claims
this is the truth about what the experts said
tricia i hope you know that the conclusions as referenced by Mark Beckner, Mary Lacy and Stan Garnett are conclusions based on actual forensic experts, who are expert witnesses, with advance degrees in forensic science, who were consulted in the case, and who had primary source access to forensic reports.
their conclusion
tricia, what are the qualifications of these posters? do any of these posters have any qualifications whatsoever in forensic science?
does any forum poster who is RDI and why denies the scientfiic consensus as to the significance of DNA, handwriting, linguistics, an expert witness in forensic science, trace evidence analysis, forensic dna, crime scene reconstruction, shoe print analysis?
no.
tricia since you and no one at websleuth and forumsforjustice have never studied any forensic science, you really have no business saying
since neither you nor any RDI poster is an expert witness with any qualifications.
FYI this is an example of the CV education training of a DNA expert, as referenced by Mary Lacy in her exoneration letter
does any poster have any experience similar to this? I didn't think so. so since no RDI poster is an expert witness in forensic DNA evidence, they have no business contradicting the conclusions of Mary Lacy and Mark Beckner.
You say
if you were to follow your own ethical standards for both websleuths and forumsforjustice, you would need to censure and remove each and every RDI poster, as none of them have any training in forensic dna analysis.
FYI Mary Lacy's conclusions were made from a multidisciplinary group of expert witness ranging from trace evidence analysis to DNA to fiber analysis to shoe print to crime scene reconstruction.
i.e
if you really care about justice for jonbenet then
not a single rdi poster on either your forums weblseuths or forumsforjustice has shown any knowledge of this
with blood spatter analysis being the archetype of crime scene reconstruction
if you don't know how to reconstruct a crime scene from blood spatter evidence, then you and each and ever poster who is RDI has no business commenting on reconstructing a crime scene from fiber, dna, shoe print, hair, tape, ligature, sexual assault and handwriting and linguistics.
fyi this is an example of the expertise it takes and no RDI has this
you need to ban each and every rdi member from cynic to superdave to cherokee ukguy etc as incompentent and remove each and every denialist rdi post and only allow intruder theories and crime reconstruction involving intruder theory. oh and since you've never studied any forensics you need to ban yourself to.
trasha pictured below is an example of an anti-science denialistthis is what she claims
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?76520-Patsy-Ramsey/page92
tricia griffith wrote:
Anti-K, this whole forum has example after example after example that an intruder did not commit this crime.
No one can show one scintilla of evidence of an intruder.
As owner, I do my best to stay out of actual discussions about a crime.
The JBR case is the one expection.
Websleuths is a leader in true crime information as well as discussion. People come here to get information. It is imperative we deal with the facts. Not fantasy.
All I ask for are facts and a logical connecting of the dots. Logic and facts.
When I get time I will be going through the forum to make sure the JonBenet Ramsey forum is being held up to the high standards just like all our other forums on Websleuths.
The days of allowing anyone to post anything because it's part of their "theory" are gone. Facts and logic. Very simple.
this is her qualifications
Host Tricia Griffith is a veteran radio disc jockey and owner of Websleuths.com and owner of Forums for Justice.org.
in other words she has ZERO qualifications in forensic science. she has no training in forensic fiber, trace evidence, DNA yet she claims
tricia griffith wrote:
Anti-K, this whole forum has example after example after example that an intruder did not commit this crime.
No one can show one scintilla of evidence of an intruder.
this is the truth about what the experts said
Mark Beckner wrote:
• "The suspect is the donator of that unknown DNA, and until you can prove otherwise, I think that's the way you've got to look at it."
tricia i hope you know that the conclusions as referenced by Mark Beckner, Mary Lacy and Stan Garnett are conclusions based on actual forensic experts, who are expert witnesses, with advance degrees in forensic science, who were consulted in the case, and who had primary source access to forensic reports.
their conclusion
Mark Beckner wrote:
• "The suspect is the donator of that unknown DNA, and until you can prove otherwise, I think that's the way you've got to look at it."
tricia, what are the qualifications of these posters? do any of these posters have any qualifications whatsoever in forensic science?
does any forum poster who is RDI and why denies the scientfiic consensus as to the significance of DNA, handwriting, linguistics, an expert witness in forensic science, trace evidence analysis, forensic dna, crime scene reconstruction, shoe print analysis?
no.
tricia since you and no one at websleuth and forumsforjustice have never studied any forensic science, you really have no business saying
Host Tricia Griffith is a veteran radio disc jockey and owner of Websleuths.com and owner of Forums for Justice.org.
tricia griffith wrote:
Anti-K, this whole forum has example after example after example that an intruder did not commit this crime.
No one can show one scintilla of evidence of an intruder.
since neither you nor any RDI poster is an expert witness with any qualifications.
FYI this is an example of the CV education training of a DNA expert, as referenced by Mary Lacy in her exoneration letter
CONSULTING AND EDUCATION IN FORENSIC SCIENCE
Norah Rudin
View Norah's curriculum vitae.
Norah Rudin holds a B.A. from Pomona College and a Ph.D. from Brandeis University. She is a member of the California Association of Criminalists, the American Academy of Forensic Sciences, and a Diplomate of the American Board of Criminalistics. After completing a post-doctoral fellowship at Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, she served three years as a full-time consultant/technical leader for the California Department of Justice DNA Laboratory and has also served as consulting technical leader for the Idaho Department of Law Enforcement DNA Laboratory, the San Francisco Crime Laboratory DNA Section, and the San Diego County Sheriff’s Department DNA Laboratory. Dr. Rudin has co-authored An Introduction to DNA Forensic Analysis and Principles and Practice of Criminalistics: The Profession of Forensic Science. She is also the author of the Dictionary of Modern Biology. Dr. Rudin has taught a variety of general forensic and forensic DNA courses for the University of California at Berkeley extension and on-line. She is frequently invited to speak at various legal symposia and forensic conferences, and recently served a guberatorial appointment to the Virginia Department of Forensic Science Scientific Advisory Committee. She is currently co-chair of the Constitution Project Committee on DNA Collection. She remains active as an independent consultant and expert witness in forensic DNA.
Dr. Rudin and Mr. Inman have formed the non-profit company SCIEG (Scientific Collaboration, Innovation, and Education) for the purpose of developing Lab Retriever, a software tool to perform likelihood ratios with a probability of drop-out, and more generally to further forensic science education in general.
does any poster have any experience similar to this? I didn't think so. so since no RDI poster is an expert witness in forensic DNA evidence, they have no business contradicting the conclusions of Mary Lacy and Mark Beckner.
You say
trasha wrote:
No one can show one scintilla of evidence of an intruder.
As owner, I do my best to stay out of actual discussions about a crime.
The JBR case is the one expection.
Websleuths is a leader in true crime information as well as discussion. People come here to get information. It is imperative we deal with the facts. Not fantasy.
All I ask for are facts and a logical connecting of the dots. Logic and facts.
When I get time I will be going through the forum to make sure the JonBenet Ramsey forum is being held up to the high standards just like all our other forums on Websleuths.
The days of allowing anyone to post anything because it's part of their "theory" are gone. Facts and logic. Very simple.
if you were to follow your own ethical standards for both websleuths and forumsforjustice, you would need to censure and remove each and every RDI poster, as none of them have any training in forensic dna analysis.
FYI Mary Lacy's conclusions were made from a multidisciplinary group of expert witness ranging from trace evidence analysis to DNA to fiber analysis to shoe print to crime scene reconstruction.
i.e
CURRICULUM VITAE
Peter D. Barnett
SUMMARY
Professional practice concentrates on the physical, chemical and microscopical examination of physical evidence particularly trace evidence (hairs, fibers, etc.), impression evidence (fingerprints, documents, tool marks), field investigation (scene documentation, evidence collection), firearms examinations (including muzzle distance determination, trajectory reconstruction), and incident reconstruction.
Employment
Education
Experience
Professional Affiliations
Certifications
Technical Papers
Awards
Other Activities
Personal
Contact Information
EMPLOYMENT
PARTNER, Forensic Science Associates, 1978 - present
CONSULTING CRIMINALIST, 1971 - present
CRIMINALIST, Paul L. Kirk & Associates, Berkeley, California, July 1969 - January 1971
CRIMINALIST, San Diego Police Department, San Diego, California, July 1968 - July 1969
EDUCATION
Graduate work in Criminalistics, University of California, Berkeley, 1969-1970
Bachelor of Science in Criminalistics, University of California, 1968
Attended San Francisco State University, September, 1965 - June, 1966, Major: Chemistry
Attended University of California, Berkeley, September 1962 - January 1964, Major: Chemical Engineering
Attended University of Redlands, Redlands, California, September 1960 - June 1962. Major: Engineering
EXPERIENCE
Experienced in the examination and analysis of physical evidence including field and laboratory examination of all types of physical evidence and investigation of a variety of types of crime and accident scenes. With the San Diego Police Department, responsibilities included crime scene investigation, laboratory examination of evidence such as narcotics, blood samples (for alcohol and drugs), firearms, physiological fluid samples, trace evidence comparison (fibers, paint, hair, etc.), supervision of laboratory technicians, training of police officers, etc.
Consulting assignments beginning in 1969 with Paul L. Kirk and Associates have included a wide variety of incidents and many different types of physical evidence. Typical field assignments involve inspection of incident scenes, documentation and collection of physical evidence from those scenes, and the reconstruction of the incident. Typical laboratory assignments include examination of clothing for relevant physical evidence, examination of firearms and related forensic ballistic problems, trace evidence examination (hair, fibers, glass), document examination (handwriting, typewriting, ink comparison, altered or obliterated documents, FAX or photocopied documents, anonymous documents), and fingerprint examinations. Types of cases included death investigation (homicide, suicide, or accidental), assaults, automobile or other types of accidents, slip/trip and fall, industrial accidents, and personnel matters.
Consultation can be provided in preparing for the cross examination of expert witnesses, location of experts in specialized fields, and overall review of the physical evidence and technical aspects of pending litigation.
Clients include Private attorneys, public defenders, district attorneys, law enforcement agencies, corporations, insurance companies, unions, independent insurance adjusters, and private individuals.
Qualified as an expert witness in Superior Court in numerous counties of the State of California as well as in Nevada, Texas, Alaska, Washington, Oregon, Arizona, Colorado, Oklahoma, Hawaii, and Federal and Military Courts as well as Administrative hearings (DMV, NLRB). Have presented expert testimony regarding questioned documents examination, auto accidents, product liability, firearms and ballistics, physiological fluids, trace evidence, reconstruction of accident and crime scenes, and examination of various other types of physical evidence.
PROFESSIONAL AFFILIATIONS
Fellow, American Academy of Forensic Sciences (Criminalistics Section)
Member, California Association of Criminalists
Member, American Society for Testing and Materials
Forensic Science Society, Great Britain (Affiliate)
CERTIFICATIONS
Diplomate, American Board of Criminalistics
BOOKS
Ethics in Forensic Science: Professional Standards for the Practice of Criminalistics, New York: CRC Press (2001)
"Criminalistics," in McGraw-Hill Encyclopedia of Science and Technology 9th Editiong, McGraw-Hill Companies, 2002.
TECHNICAL PAPERS
Whalley, R., and Barnett, P.D., Legal vs. Forensic Definition of Under the Influence. Presented at the 33rd Semi-Annual Seminar of the California Association of Criminalists, May, 1969.
Barnett, P.D., and Berger, R., The Determination of the Age of Latent Fingerprints, J. Forensic Science Society, 16 (1977) 249.
Barnett, P.D., Trace Elements Analysis of Heroin by X-Ray Fluorescence. Presented at the 47th Semi-Annual Seminar of the California Association of Criminalists, May, 1976.
Barnett, P.D., Comparison of Edges of Paper from Pads. Presented at the 54th Semi-Annual Seminar of the California Association of Criminalists, October, 1979.
Barnett, P.D., Probabilities and Human Hair Comparison. Presented at the 55th Semi-Annual Seminar of the California Association of Criminalists, May, 1980.
Barnett, P.D., and Ogle, R.R., Examination of Headlamp Filaments. Presented at the 56th Semi-Annual Seminar of the California Association of Criminalists, October, 1980.
Barnett, P.D., Blake, E.B., and Ogle, R.R., The Role of the Defense Expert. Presented at the American Academy of Forensic Science, Los Angeles, California, February, 1981.
Barnett, P.D., and Ogle, R.R., Probabilities and Human Hair Comparison, J. Forensic Science, 27 (1982):272-278.
Barnett, P.D., The Utility of On-Line Searching in the Crime Laboratory. Presented at the 58th Semi-Annual Seminar of the California Association of Criminalists, October, 1981.
Barnett, P.D., and Hurley, N.M., Reconstruction of a Shotgun Shooting. Presented at the First Inter-American Congress of Forensic Sciences, Sacramento, California, November, 1982.
Barnett, P.D., A Systematic Approach to Trace Evidence. Presented at the 61st Semi-Annual Seminar of the California Association of Criminalists, May, 1983.
Barnett, P.D., Trace Evidence Examination - A Rapid Examination and Classification Scheme. Presented at the American academy of Forensic Science, February, 1984.
Barnett, P.D., Interpretation of Trace Element Composition of Bullet Lead. Presented at the 63rd Semi-Annual Seminar of the California Association of Criminalists, May, 1984.
Barnett, P.D., Strong Negative Conclusions in Hair Comparison - A Rare Event. Letter to the Editor, J. Canadian So. Forensic Science 18(2): 69-70, June 1985.
Barnett, P.D., Ethical Considerations in the Practice of Forensic Science. Presented at the 192nd National Meeting, American Chemical Society, September 9, 1986, Anaheim, CA.
Barnett, P.D., and Blake, E.T., Microscopic Comparison of Human Head Hair, Results of a Blind Trial Experiment. Presented at Inter-Micro-86, Chicago, IL, July 24, 1986.
Barnett, P.D., and Super-Mihalovich, J., Ricochet of Bullets from Automobile Windshields. Presented at the 73rd Semi-Annual Seminar of the California Association of Criminalists, Sacramento, CA, May, 1989.
Barnett, P.D., The Examination of Hanging Chads in Election Ballots. Presented at the 73rd Semi-Annual Seminar of the California Association of Criminalists, San Mateo, CA, May 1989.
Barnett, P.D., and Bagatelos, P.S., Examination of Ballots in Contested Elections: Hanging Chads, Identifying Marks and Alterations. Presented at the American Academy of Forensic Science Annual Meeting, February 22, 191, Anaheim, CA.
Barnett, P.D., Microscopy of Foreign Bodies from Body Cavities. Presented at Inter-Micro 92, Chicago, IL, July 13-16 1992.
Bowman, D., and Barnett, P.D., Deterioration of Fibers in an Aquatic Environment: Preliminary Observations. Presented at Inter-Micro 92, Chicago, IL, July 13-16, 1992.
Barnett, P.D., Application of Multilinear Events Sequencing (MES) Analysis to the Reconstruction of a Shooting Incident. Presented at the 83rd Semi-Annual Seminar of the California Association of Criminalists, Oakland, CA, May 1994.
Barnett, P.D., Current Status and Activities of ASTM Committee E-30 On Forensic Science. Presented at the 83rd Semi-Annual Seminar of the California Association of Criminalists, Oakland, CA, May 1994.
Barnett, P.D., The Role of Standards in Forensic Science, Standardization News, 23:24-27, April 1995.
Barnett, P.D., Standards Needs in Forensic Science. Presented to a seminar at the National Institute of Standards and Technology, Gaithersburg MD, June 15, 1995.
Barnett, P.D., and Shaffer, S.A., Forensic Science on the Internet. Presented at the 85th Semi-Annual Seminar of the California Association of Criminalists, Walnut Creek, CA, May, 1995.
Barnett, P.D., Methodological Approach to Crime Scene Investigation: The Dangers of Technology, in Hicks, John, et al. Forensic Evidence Analysis and Crime Scene Investigation, SPIE Proceedings, Vol. 2941, 1997, pp. 102-108.
Barnett, P.D., The American Board of Criminalistics Certification Program for Criminalists Specializing in Trace Evidence Examination. Presented at the Joint Seminar of the California Association of Criminalists and the Forensic Science Society, Harrogate, England, July, 1997.
Barnett, P.D., Identification of Shoe Impressions from a Double Amputee: Is It Possible?. Presented at the Joint Seminar of the California Association of Criminalists and the Forensic Science Society, Harrogate, England, July, 1997.
Barnett, P.D., and Shaffer, S.A., Digital Discovery - How to Provide It and How to Use It. Presented at the 91st Semi-Annual Seminar of the California Association of Criminalists, Monterey, CA, May, 1998.
Barnett, P.D., Comparison of Synthetic Fiber Types in Vacuum Debris from Different Households, presented at InterMicro-98, Chicago, IL, August 12, 1998
Barnett, P.D., Evaluation of the Significance of Trace Evidence: Three Cases, presented at the Canadian Society of Forensic Sciences Meeting, Wolfville, Nova Scotia, August 16, 1998
Barnett, P.D., History of the San Francisco Microscopical Society, presented at InterMicro-99 June 28 - July 1, 1999, Chicago, IL
Barnett, P.D., Future of Hair Microscopy, panel discussion at InterMicro-99, June 28 - July 1, 1999, Chicago, IL
Barnett, P.D., Microscopy in Criminalistics: Past, Present and Future, presented at the 1999 Pacific Conference on Chemistry and Spectroscopy, Ontario CA, October 6-8, 1999
Barnett, P.D., Reconstruction of the Shooting of a Dog, presented at the 94th Semi-annual Seminar of the California Association of Criminalists (Ontario CA, October 14-16, 1999)
Barnett, P.D., The Role of Forensic Science Professional Organizations in the New Mellenium, presented at the 94th Semi-annual Seminar of the California Association of Criminalists (Ontario CA,Octber 14-16,1999) and at the meeting of the Forensic Science Society, (Nottingham, England, November 5-7, 1999)
Barnett, P.D., Culinary Forensics: Investigation of a Pizza, presented at the 99th Semi-annual Seminar of the California Association of Criminalists (San Francisco, CA, May 9-11, 2002)
Barnett, P.D., Fact or Fiction: The Forensic Laboratory Report, presented at the Forensic Science and Fiction, Joint Seminar of the Forensic Science Society and the California Association of Criminalists (Oxford, England, March 19-22, 2003)
Barnett, P.D., The Dropped Card: The Consequences of Not Playing with a Full Deck, presented at the Joint Seminar of the Joint Seminar of the Northwest Association of Forensic Scientists and the California Association of Criminalists, (Reno, NV, April 8-11, 2003)
Barnett, P.D., Obscuring the Obverse: The Obligations of Disclosure, presented at the Annual Meeting of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences (Dallas, TX, February 16-21, 2004)
AWARDS
California Association of Criminalists Service Award - 1977
California Association of Criminalists Outstanding Service Award - 1984
California Association of Criminalists Distinguished Service Award - 1989
California Association of Criminalists Distinguished Member Award - 1992
OTHER ACTIVITIES
Moderator, Panel Discussion on "Ethics in Forensic Science" at American Academy of Forensic Science Annual Meeting, 1984
Moderator, Special Session on "Applications of Computers in Forensic Science", American Academy of Forensic Science Annual Meeting, 1987
Editorial Secretary, California Association of Criminalists, 1985 - 1989
Membership Secretary and Criminalistics Subcommittee Chairman, ASTM Committee E-30 (Forensic Science) 1989-1991
Chairman, ASTM Committee E-30 (Forensic Science) 1991-1993
Chairman, Hair and Fiber Peer Group, American Board of Criminalistics / California Association of Criminalists - 1991 to present
Member, Board of Examiners, American Board of Criminalistics
President-Elect, California Association of Criminalists, 1995-1996
President, California Association of Criminalists, 1996-1997
if you really care about justice for jonbenet then
Mark Beckner wrote:
• "The suspect is the donator of that unknown DNA, and until you can prove otherwise, I think that's the way you've got to look at it."
not a single rdi poster on either your forums weblseuths or forumsforjustice has shown any knowledge of this
with blood spatter analysis being the archetype of crime scene reconstruction
if you don't know how to reconstruct a crime scene from blood spatter evidence, then you and each and ever poster who is RDI has no business commenting on reconstructing a crime scene from fiber, dna, shoe print, hair, tape, ligature, sexual assault and handwriting and linguistics.
fyi this is an example of the expertise it takes and no RDI has this
you need to ban each and every rdi member from cynic to superdave to cherokee ukguy etc as incompentent and remove each and every denialist rdi post and only allow intruder theories and crime reconstruction involving intruder theory. oh and since you've never studied any forensics you need to ban yourself to.
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