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Post by redpill on Mon Oct 10, 2016 11:17 pm

i click on yahoo news and i learn that this just happened

On late hours of Sat night Oct 8th leading into early morning hours of Sunday, Oct 9th, 2016 5 teens were killed in a car accident

Police on Sunday evening identified the five teenagers killed. They are: Mary Harris, 16, of Moretown; Cyrus Zschau, 16, of Moretown; Liam Hale, 16, of Fayston; Janie Cozzi, 15, of Fayston; and Eli Brookens, 16, of Waterbury.

Mary Harris, 16




Janie Cozzi, 15





photos of the car wreck







they didn't do anything wrong, it was a criminal fleeing from police who was driving on the wrong side of the road and hit them head-on

October 9, 2016, 10:26 PM
5 teens killed in Vt. after man steals truck, starts chain car crash, police say

WILLISTON Vt. Five teenagers are dead and multiple others injured after a series of crashes that took place along interstate 89 in Williston on Saturday night, CBS affiliate WCAX reports.

Debris and devastation littered Interstate 89 Sunday morning -- where five Vermont teenagers were pronounced dead.  Late Saturday night police say a driver in a pick-up truck, heading the wrong way on the highway, collided head-on with the teens’ car.

According to the Associated Press, police on Sunday evening identified the five teenagers killed. They are: Mary Harris, 16, of Moretown; Cyrus Zschau, 16, of Moretown; Liam Hale, 16, of Fayston; Janie Cozzi, 15, of Fayston; and Eli Brookens, 16, of Waterbury.

Passerby Paul Swann pulled over to help, but the victims’ car had already burst into in flames.

“I wish that I had some way that I could help somebody because standing there seeing a car full of people go up in flames, it doesn’t feel good to feel helpless,” Swann said.

Police had received over a dozen calls about the truck  and were already responding to the area the crash happened.   A Williston Police officer arrived at the scene first.  “That officer went down to try and extinguish that fire. In  the process of trying to extinguish that fire, he looked up  and noticed that someone had jumped into his cruiser and took off traveling southbound with the emergency lights still activated,” said Vermont State Police Captain Michael Henry.

Police say the cruiser was stolen by 36-year-old Steve Bourgoin moments after the Williston officer arrived.  After heading south a short distance, Bourgoin allegedly turned around and drove back north towards oncoming traffic and back to the scene of the first crash, hitting several other vehicles including the pickup, which was still in the middle of the interstate.

“He was probably doing 100 miles an hour or so in the cruiser when he hit. At that point everybody started -- there were just a bunch of people screaming that were further down the highway down near the Tundra where the impact had taken place, and the cruiser was  on fire,” Swann said.

Multiple emergency crews responded and transported five additional victims to the hospital with non-life threatening injuries. “Some of  the members have been firefighters for 15, 20 years and this  is by far the worst incident that they have ever seen in their entire career. It was described as just truly horrific. There really just is almost no words to describe a scene like  that,” said Williston Fire Department Senior Firefighter Prescott Nadeau.

Bourgoin was taken into custody at the scene and then transported to the UVM Medical Center.  He was listed in critical condition Sunday night.  

Several people injured in crashes caused by the cruiser were taken to the hospital, but authorities could not say how many were treated. They said none of the injuries appeared to be life-threatening.


this is the driver who killed them while driving the wrong way

Steven Bourgoin 36



Four of the five teens killed in the crash were students at Harwood Union High School, the Waterbury Record reports. The fifth teen lived in the same community, but attended a different school. They were all in their junior year.

one personal safety measure i use to reduce my risk of death from traffic accidents is i prefer to drive local when possible, and i prefer not to be out late at night driving. obviously sometimes i have no choice, but if i have a choice i prefer to be indoors.

so 5 teens got 15-16 years of life when just Oct 8/9th 2016 they all lost it. they're all dead. personally i'd consider going to church, praying, reading the bible, if either it reduced my risk of death like this, or if there is some miracle survival, like sending an angel to cause a delay or something.
i'm definitely interested in divine protection and miracles and angels, if that's at all possible.

i've not been keeping up on this topic there are plenty of deaths on the news from 16 people dead from a hot air balloon in texas



to an airplane full of dentists crashes killing the dentists on board



so much sudden and unexpected death in this world.

i have wondered if being religious and pleasing a deity would result in blessings and miracles on my behalf, and those i care about, given how dangerous and unsafe the world is. plus all the murderers and thrill killers and robbers out there.

life's fragile. obviously if you could create a time machine,


Mary Harris, 16




Janie Cozzi, 15



would probably decline a ride in that car at that time and place if they knew what is coming.

an another aspect on life i think about is choices and is it better to be alive or dead.

Mary Harris and Janie Cozzi only had 15-16 years of life and now it's over. on the other hand
Rachel Wade



was just 19 years old, she was employed at Applebee's as a waitress and had her own apartment, 7 years ago, when she stabbed her romantic rival Sarah Ludemann 18



Sarah Ludemann is dead at age 18 bc she and Rachel Wade had a romantic rivalry. Rachel was found guilty of 2nd degree murder was sentence to 27 years. 27 years. she'll be older than me right now, when she gets out. 27 years is an unfathomably long period of time.

Rachel in prison



Rachel is still alive, but will be 46 when she is finally released from prison. Alive, but spent more years in prison than her age when she killed Sarah, at age 19.

Is it better to be Rachel Wade and alive and healthy when released in 27 years years, - spent 6 years thus far in prison - at age 46 some time 2036 (assuming no health or legal issue comes up before then)

or Mary Harris, 16 or Janie Cozzi, 15 and dead at age 15/16?

and maybe if Rachel hadn't stabbed Sarah Ludeman to death, Rachel might have either been murdered by a serial killer or killed in a car accident like Janie Cozzi, 15 or Mary Harris 16?

Rachel's not going to be killed in a traffic accident in prison.

Victoria McGrath was 23 years old, earlier she survived the Boston Marathon bombing



she has a fun trip to Dubai and is killed in a car accident March 7, 2016




maybe if Rachel hadn't murdered Sarah Ludemann, she'd be vacationing in Dubai where she gets killed in a car accident, or dies of a drug overdose at a party, or is murdered in Cancun Mexico or Aruba like
Natalie Holloway




I wonder what kind of life Rachel Wade will have after she is released, given that she has a criminal record and will be 46. her youthful beauty will be gone and she will be older.

i'm not suggesting you go murder someone and live 50 years behind bars.
ideally of course is to live to age 46 free with fun life experience travel, adventure, social events etc.
worth thinking about length of life vs risks to life of having fun

would you rather be in a woman's prison like Rachel Wade but alive, and possibly live all the way to age 46, or would you rather die at 15/16 in a car accident, or murdered at age 18 in Aruba like Natalie Holloway, or survive a Boston marathon terrorist bombing only to die at age 23 while vacationing in Dubai in a car accident?

life's fragile and short. several young women lost their lives due to car accidents or murder or drug overdose. on the other hand, some women like rachel wade make a choice in life that lands them in prison for a very long time. if rachel wade is genetically lucky she might live to be 120.

if still alive Rachel will be older but alive then these 2 sisters who vacationed



current cause of death is pulmonary edema due to alcohol intoxication, age 37 and 42. while vacationing in Seychelles

safety lesson drinking too much alcohol can result in pulmonary edema and death.

i do wonder if there's an afterlife, along the lines of reincarnation.

those 5 teens were 15-16 and driving a car, when they were out very late at night when a car crossed into their lane and head on collision killed them, the car burst on fire. i think if they had precognition and knew that being in that car at that time and place would lead to a fatal car accident they'd change their mind. i would be religious if god promises to send me an angel to warn me of potential dangers like this, like car accidents or murderers. i want guardian angel and miracles on my behalf. I love you I love you

so 5 teens they enter the next phase of existence or non-existence depending on ur religious beliefs about the afterlife.  No No No

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Post by TracyB on Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:30 am

Rachel Wade

sarah ludemann
I remember this case. Sophomore year of college I think. It got some mainstream traction. It had that perfect all american girl fights trailer trash over a pathetic loser thing going for it.

It came out at trial that he didn't care about either girl. He said on the witness stand that he was just using them for sex and liked how they fought over him. Imagine how Rachel must have felt after hearing that. She had ruined her life and destroyed another life over this loser.

THis story is a perfect example on why you should avoid so called bad boys like the plague.

Having said all that, I took Rachel's side to an extent. Yes she threatened to kill Sarah which was a huge mistake. Her sentence would've been much lighter had she kept her mouth shut. Sarah was egging it on, getting other people involved, and Rachel went too far.

Had they followed my main rule of dating(don't date others exes), none of this would've happened.When him and Rachel broke up, Sarah dove right in like he was some sort of prize. He even hit her yet she'd run right back to him. It would be laughable if it wasn't such a tragedy.

I know some people like this sort of thing and get off on the drama but to me it is not worth it.

Police on Sunday evening identified the five teenagers killed. They are: Mary Harris, 16, of Moretown; Cyrus Zschau, 16, of Moretown; Liam Hale, 16, of Fayston; Janie Cozzi, 15, of Fayston; and Eli Brookens, 16, of Waterbury.
I don't remember this one. How sad.

Any wreck that kills or maims a bunch of teens is a tragedy, and most are avoidable.

I remember right when high school had ended there was a major tragedy and it helped get people talking more about driving while texting. Five girls were killed in a wreck on their way to a vacation house to party. The driver was texting someone in the car following them. Crazy.

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Post by redpill on Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:57 pm

for me, just the little thing of taking a knife and inserting it into sarah's chest once (or twice) = 27 years of prison

what kind of life does rachel live now, and what kind of life and career after she gets out?

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Post by TracyB on Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:52 am

for me, just the little thing of taking a knife and inserting it into sarah's chest once (or twice) = 27 years of prison

It wasn't just a little thing though. This had been building to a crazy climax. They had been fighting over this loser for eight months. Neither girl smart enough to see he had been playing them both against one another. He kept seeing Rachel, Sarah knew this, yet still proclaimed him the love of her life. Neither girl had any self respect and losers feed off that fact.

Sarah wasn't innocent. Her and her friends would bully Rachel at Applebee's when she's working. That's crossing a line and it's also an escalation.

Rachel should've moved on. Let Sarah have the loser. There's plenty more losers out there. Instead she allowed herself to be played like a sucker, and both their lives were ruined. The guy they were fighting over immediately moved on.

I have a question. Where were their parents? Someone neded to intervene because the story has tragedy written all over it before Rachel pulls out the knife.

what kind of life does rachel live now, and what kind of life and career after she gets out?
What she should do when she gets out of prison is tour high schools and warn girls about getting involved with losers.

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Post by redpill on Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:01 am

i do think rachel should be offerred parole after maybe 10+ years.

sarah's family has also sued rachel wrongful death suit.

that's a lot of b.s to deal with for the simple act of inserting a knife in another girls chest.

how do you live on from both a criminal record 27 years prison and a wrongful death suit seeking money?

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Post by TracyB on Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:26 am

redpill wrote:i do think rachel should be offerred parole after maybe 10+ years.


So do I. It never should've went beyond simple manslaughter. Rachel got screwed but at the same time she screwed herself. She never should've threatened Sarah but having said that, Sarah had made threats to rachel too.

This story was gonna have a bad ending no matter which scenario played out. This is why their parents needed to intervene.




sarah's family has also sued rachel wrongful death suit.
I hope they lose. They don't deserve a dollar. Instead of suing Rachel, maybe figure out what they did wrong to cause their daughter to run into the arms of a pathetic loser who cares nothing for her other than to use as a sperm bank, and why she would continually harass the loser's ex girlfriend to the point of getting herself killed.

Play with a bull, you get the horns.





that's a lot of b.s to deal with for the simple act of inserting a knife in another girls chest.
Indeed it is but in the heat of the moment, you're not weighing the consequences to your actions. Had this been a normal situation, a cooling off period would've worked wonders. This wasn't normal though. These girls kept escalating the situation until it came to a head.

I guarantee the guy laughed every time these girls fought over him. he helped spark the chain reaction that led to Sarah's death. He texted Rachel saying to leave em alone. He's with sarah now. Rachel said she'd just come over when Sarah leaves. He didn't say no. Take into considerartion Sarah is at his house while this fateful conversation is taking place. Rachel is just down the street. With perfect timing, the loser's sister needs a ride to Mcdonald's, Sarah agreed to take her,  which just so happens to mean they'll be driving right by Rachel on the way.

These people got off on the drama. It sent one to the grave.

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Post by redpill on Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:30 pm

at the end of the day boys are not exactly rare and rachel could have found another boyfriend.

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