I propose a connection between Abby Williams and Liberty German & Heidi Childs and David Metzler' murders

Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:56 am

we are coming to the one year anniversary of  Feb 13. 2017 Abby Williams and Liberty German murder



suspect



has he killed before?

other posters and even Police have long suspect this link



recently TraceyB brought to my attention a murder i have never heard of, didn't know anything about

the murder of   Heidi Childs' and David Metzler



case facts

Aug 27, 2014 - It was five years ago yesterday that Virginia Tech students Heidi Childs' and David Metzler's bodies were found after being shot to death on the night of August 26, 2009. “Some years, I'm the only one out here,” said Gardner, a Christiansburg resident and former police officer, as she placed votive candles at ...

Heidi was a devout Christian and reportedly had a strong, Christian relationship with Metzler too. The two weren't involved in anything suspicious or worthy of attention.

murder never solved. since it happened in the forest, and Indiana Locals do not recognize Abby Williams and Liberty German

i propose that this guy



not only killed



but also



he is a serial killer who goes through woods and when he sees a potential victim to kill, he does.

ive never heard of this murder prior to tracy b but it might be worth reviewing all murders of teens and children in dense forests that remain unsolved prior to murders of Abby Williams and Liberty German

I don't think they're linked. If there's a link, it's to the other young couples that have been murdered in similar situations but I think that might be a stretch as well.

Most people are murdered by someone they know, even if only casually. Heidi and David's murder could go either way. It does sound like a stranger but something about that rubs me the wrong way. I also don't like how they keep so much of the evidence away from the public. I think it's because they have a hunch it might have been personal and they hope someone slips up eventually. I think this is the case in Lisa Gurrieri and her boyfriend's murder.

heidi appears to have been the perfect, innocent, all american girl. Christian to the bone, only had the one boyfriend, had recently moved in with some college friends, etc. Someone might have been envious of her or jealous of the relationship. I'd like to know how many people knew they were driving out there.

David was found shot in the car and heidi was found shot outside the car as if she was running. That is really sad. She had nowhere to run.

I've been in that area before and its not a place I would let my boyfriend take me at night. I don't care if it was sometimes a hangout for college students. You can find a better place to do the things they wanted to do.

I do think there could be a link between the other two cases you mentioned. Weren't they almost identical?

lycica cook and elizabeth collins LE hasn't released a whole lot except that in IOWA, not Indiana, they went bicycling then reported missing and several months later their remains were found, skeltal. so there is speculation the cases are linked.

its possible that the suspect in the photo was known to Heidi Childs' and David Metzler
or that Heidi Childs' and David Metzler were killed by random strangers.

if your in the deep woods how would anyone know where you are unless its a stranger or you told someone close.


might be worth mentioning and if there are other young folk killed in the woods with an UNSOLVED murder. iirc sensing murder psychic detectives talking about a lesbian couple that was murdered.

There's quite a few cases like that. I remember that lesbian one too.

A really bad one was when a woman and her teen daughter were shot while on a hike. There were some oddities regarding the husband/father but no evidence.

if your in the deep woods how would anyone know where you are unless its a stranger or you told someone close.

I don't think I would tell anyone if I was going somewhere like that, maybe after the fact. In the offchance someone in your life hates you, it creates the perfect environment for them to harm you.

Its probably what happened to Lisa Gurrieri and Brandon Rumbaugh. They probably told everyone how they were going to the same campsite they went to on their first date to spend their one year anniversary and a person they knew who hated them followed them there..or simply showed up in the middle of the night to kill them.

Its definitely something a young couple would brag about doing...and its a situation where they are vulnerable and can be taken advantage of. They had borrowed Lisa's mom's white truck to drive there. Everyone would've known that and white truck parked out there makes them even easier to find.







Imagine parking there and there's no lights.



If I had to wager, I'd say it's one of Brandon's friends who had the hots for Lisa but couldn't have her.

Here's why I believe someone close to Lisa and brandon killed them. Well the main reason anyways.

They were murdered in their sleep. Yeah strangers can do that too of course but its just a cowardly way to kill someone. its like whoever killed them didn't want to risk them knowing who was doing it and/or didn't want to have to verbally confront them. Lisa wasn't sexually assaulted either and strangers usually focus more on the woman in these types of attacks.

Both shot in the head three times. Whoever killed them wanted to make sure they weren't leaving there alive.


Another reason is that nothing was taken. Nothing. They simply murdered them and immediately left without touching the bodies, looking in the truck, etc.

TracyB wrote:Here's why I believe someone close to Lisa and brandon killed them. Well the main reason anyways.

They were murdered in their sleep. Yeah strangers can do that too of course but its just a cowardly way to kill someone. its like whoever killed them didn't want to risk them knowing who was doing it and/or didn't want to have to verbally confront them. Lisa wasn't sexually assaulted either and strangers usually focus more on the woman in these types of attacks.

Both shot in the head three times. Whoever killed them wanted to make sure they weren't leaving there alive.


Another reason is that nothing was taken. Nothing. They simply murdered them and immediately left without touching the bodies, looking in the truck, etc.

Abby Williams and Liberty German

Police have not publicly stated how the girls were murdered.[5]

obviously if they were shot in the head and nothing was taken, including the Liberty's smart phone, and apparently left without touching the bodies, and maybe shot in the head,

that would support my theory that Abby Williams and Liberty German were killed by the same killer as Heidi childs and david metzger

Lisa Gurrieri and Brandon Rumbaugh i've not heard of, but it could still seemingly be a random encounter.

one of my posts was about a fisherman who was beaten to death in a very secluded fishing location. the crime was solved.

it was actually a random encounter by 2 thugs. who wanted to rob him.
they got his fishing tackle box and fishing rod when detectives search warnt the home and they torched his car and got a few bucks.

so random encounters by strangers and getting killed in the woods actually happens a lot on the ID channel.

kinda scary to think about the woods IMHO.

fishing at midnight in the deep woods sounds pretty unsafe.

btw on youtube is crime investigation australia, an excellent documentary on australian crimes

I think those little girls were raped and they simply haven't revealed that info. been a long time since reading about those two cases though. I'll jump down the rabbit hole tomorrow.

Oh I'm not doubting random nutjobs can murder innocent people but in some of the cases it just has a 'vibe' of being personal.

Like with Lisa...

What are the chances of being randomly murdered on your one year anniversary by going to the same place you went on your first date?

It doesn't feel random at all.

TracyB wrote:I think those little girls were raped and they simply haven't revealed that info. been a long time since reading about those two cases though. I'll jump down the rabbit hole tomorrow.

Oh I'm not doubting random nutjobs can murder innocent people but in some of the cases it just has a 'vibe' of being personal.

Like with Lisa...

What are the chances of being randomly murdered on your one year anniversary by going to the same place you went on your first date?

It doesn't feel random at all.

with Abby Williams and Liberty German LE explicitly withheld this info about being raped and manner of death. there have been plenty of murders of little girls where rape was not the primary motive so i don't think we can assume it.

it could be that suspect simply felt like killing a girl and that's it.

does cause me to think so wait if i enter a forest like Abby Williams and Liberty German did, will i end up murdered like Abby Williams and Liberty German ?

for me as a kid i, like Abby Williams and Liberty German entered a forest, in my case i hoped to catch a glimpse of bigfoot. i kinda dont believe in bigfoot *now* but if he does exist i hope someone solves it. there's the tv show finding bigfoot.

i also imagine myself as Abby Williams and Liberty German and at some point they saw the suspect, were getting worried, took a photo recorded down the hill and yeah their wories became true when they were MURDERED

imagine being alone or with another girl in the woods when u see some guy and you start thinking he's going to come after you and kill you, then he shows up and kills you. gives me the creeps

i admit i've never heard of the lisa case LOL. it wasn't on a tv show i've seen on ID channel so.

I've been out in the woods and various other boonie type environments and I did get the heebie jeebies sometimes.

A good example is when two friends and I were in high school and we went to hang out around Oakley Forest. Basically we just wanted to hang out and get high. We were out there for hours. Didn't see anyone else. The silence is foreboding. If some freak had stumbled upon us, we would've been helpless.

On the other hand, you can go to a similar location with a bunch of people(like a bonfire) and it emits the exact opposite vibe. You're not scared in the least.

There truly is safety in numbers...even if only an illusion.


As far as murders without rape, yeah it does surprise me in some cases. I'll tell you one case that's non-sexual that blows my mind. Columbine. They both had major issues with girls, talked a bunch of shit in journals/video about them, both wanted to lose their virginity, yet there is not a sexual component to Columbine.

I just googled that area we were at for some pics. Yikes. No way in hell would I hang out there now.

The crazy things you'll do in your youth.

did you see bigfoot?

TracyB wrote:I've been out in the woods and various other boonie type environments and I did get the heebie jeebies sometimes.

A good example is when two friends and I were in high school and we went to hang out around Oakley Forest. Basically we just wanted to hang out and get high. We were out there for hours. Didn't see anyone else. The silence is foreboding. If some freak had stumbled upon us, we would've been helpless.

On the other hand, you can go to a similar location with a bunch of people(like a bonfire) and it emits the exact opposite vibe. You're not scared in the least.

There truly is safety in numbers...even if only an illusion.


As far as murders without rape, yeah it does surprise me in some cases. I'll tell you one case that's non-sexual that blows my mind. Columbine. They both had major issues with girls, talked a bunch of shit in journals/video about them, both wanted to lose their virginity, yet there is not a sexual component to Columbine.

when i was a kid i was mostly obvious to the idea of predators. so i went looking for bigfoot without the idea of being abducted and murdered.

now i know better.  

i do agree if there are lots of people there there is safety in numbers. if Abby and Libby were around a large group of teens I doubt the suspect would kill him.

there is a category of killings called thrill kills. and another category hate crimes. usually they aren't considered sexual. if sex is involved then it is considered a sexually motivated homicide.

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killed a girl Elizabeth Olten just for the fun of it. she didn't have sex with Elizabeth, she just enjoyed it. she's in prison now

She's certifiably crazy. I remember that youtube video of hers where she talks her little brothers into touching an electric fence.

Not many female serial killers but I guarantee if this girl had made it through high school without getting in trouble, she becomes one.

mexico had a female serial killer and she got away for a long time since everyone was looking for a male one.

abby and libby's suspect may or may not be a serial killer, but if he has killed before in a forest certainly the 2 people u mention along with the other 2 girls from iowa that others have made a link to sounds look good places to start.

if it was sexual, he only had a very narrow window of time, since there is a timeline from when girls dropped off, when the photos were taken, when parents called them, and when they entered the trail to look for them and had LE and volunteers doesn't give him much time to do much.

one eye witness claimed he may have seen him earlier that day

do u plan to visit a forest anytime soon?