RDI why leavea a body and ransom note - refuted

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RDI why leavea a body and ransom note - refuted

Post by redpill on Sat Sep 26, 2015 11:35 am

What a Face over at websleuths posters have claimed

detective pinkie wrote:
Hold yourself to the same standards - explain why an intruder would leave a body and a note, simply and believably

tawny wrote:
the fail in logic is astounding.

This is an example of NO IDI explanation. Why would an intruder hide her body? Seriously, please answer that for me. Why would an intruder hide her body rather than take her with them and dump her, or leave her where she was? Did an intruder seriously believe she would NEVER EVER be found inside the house?

Serious question: Why would an intruder hide her body in a dark room in a basement?


If he wanted to ensure it was found, why hide it? If he had to bug out, not taking the kidnapped-turned-murdered with him, why did he leave the note?

Delay discovery to what end? If he were bugging out, why would he care when, where, and how she's found?

It makes zero logical sense.


ukguy wrote:
Mama2JML,
Why does an intruder need to bother with a RN at all, all that sitting around authoring a RN, increases the risk of being caught.

No JonBenet in the house tells its own story, when followed up with a ransom phone call, no RN is required.

There is no IDI explanation forthcoming as to why the said intruder did not remove JonBenet from the house, which is just as inconsistent as any staged kidnapping leaving JonBenet in the house!

Intruder plan of action: Enter Ramsey household remove JonBenet, dead or alive, relocate to the boot of awaiting car, then simply drive away. Next day phone ransom demands. Total time to execute less than fifteen minutes!


nimyat of reddit wrote:
There is absolutely 0 reason to start to write a draft ransom note and then write the real thing and make it that ridiculously long.

If it was a premeditated kidnapping, ('hid in the house' theory) why the fuck wouldn't you bring a ransome note with you and why the hell would you start to draft one and then write one on paper found in the house.

If it was a burglary turned kidnapping, why would you start to draft a ransom note, and then write the real thing 4 pages long? You would scribble something like "I've taken your daughter, dont contact police, deposit money at this location at this time if you want to see her again." A panicked burglar does not sit and start writing about his 'organisation'.

A lot of people get bogged down in the details of the case, because it is a fascinating one and it is very interesting, but the ransom note is the most ridiculous thing ever and was totally written by one of the family in my opinion. They also completely over thought it - mentioning the fathers business, his bonus, writing 4 pages worth etc.

There's no way the family wasn't involved. As for which one did it, that is what is hard to prove.

docg makes a similar claim
docg wrote:

Questions

An intruder intending to express his anger or disdain for the Ramseys would have had no reason to write a meaningless ransom note. A kidnapper would not have left both the note and the body. If the parents were involved in this together, as so many assume, such a note might serve to throw the police off the track, but only if the body were found, days later, in some remote area. Or never found. With the body hidden in the house, where it is sure to be discovered, the note only creates problems for the Ramseys, the only ones who could "logically" have written it. If they were not planning on getting the body out of the house before the police came, then why would they write an obviously phony note?

Also, why was the note hand printed? Why not print it via computer? Or paste words together from newspapers? If the parents, or anyone at all close to the family, wrote it, they would be risking exposure for sure.

Answers

No intruder would have had anything to gain by writing the ransom note. No intruder would have any reason to write it. A kidnapper would have taken the child (or her body) with him. If something had gone wrong with his plan, he would have had no reason to leave a possibly incriminating note. Someone intending to frame John or Patsy would not have written the note in his own hand, as that would be evidence of an intruder. The conclusion is simple: there was no kidnapper. There was no intruder. The note must have been written by someone on the inside -- and it does indeed read like a staged kidnapping attempt.

here's a simple explanation why a thrill killer would leave behind a ransom note and the body behind so he can't collect on the ransom.

http://news.yahoo.com/cops-couple-robs-bank-posts-130908103.html



Cops: Couple Robs Bank, Posts Photos of Loot on Facebook

A couple was busted for allegedly robbing a bank after posting photos of their loot to Facebook, according to a police report.

John Mogan, 28, and his girlfriend Ashley Duboe, 24, were charged with robbery for the heist at the Savings Bank in Ashville, Ohio on August 24.

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Mogan allegedly walked into the bank wearing a hooded sweatshirt and gave the teller a note demanding cash, and the teller did as told.

Mogan's mugshot and Facebook photos show he is heavily tattooed with ink across his face including the phrases “Loyalty’s Thin” and “Betrayal’s Thick.” But authorities allege that Duboe applied makeup to his face and neck to cover the tattoos before the robbery, according to The Smoking Gun.

Police say that four days after the robbery, the couple posed together with cash in their hands. On August 31, Mogan also posted images of him posing with a wad of cash in his mouth.

After the robbery, cops followed up several leads but none of them led to the thieves. But a tip received by Central Ohio Crime Stoppers led them to Mogan and his photos, according to The Circleville Herald.

Mogan and Duboe have each been charged with robbery and theft and are behind bars at the Pickaway County jail on $250,000 bond.

Mogan waived his right to a preliminary hearing in court on Wednesday, the Herald reported. No date has been set for a grand jury and the robbery is still under investigation, police said. Lawyers are not listed for the pair.


if the RDI objection were logically valid, there would be no reason for the bank robbers to take photos of themselves with the money and upload it on facebook, except they did.

and yes, they did get arrested and they will be charged, and the photos they themselves took and uploaded on facebook will be used against them.

same thing happened before


http://www.eurthisnthat.com/2015/02/12/teen-shoots-boy-in-face-killing-him-then-takes-selfie-with-the-corpse/

Teen Shoots Boy in Face, Killing Him, Then Takes ‘Selfie’ With the Corpse

*People who take ‘selfies’ a lot have been called anything from an ‘addict’ to ‘self-absorbed.’ But its just plain nuts if you go as far as this 16-year-old Pittsburgh-area boy did. Maxwell Marion Morton may be headed to jail for a long time after an arrest for a murder police found out about when they were shown a selfie he took with the victim’s dead body. According to court documents, Morton shot Ryan Mangan, also 16 years old,  in the face — killing him. And after doing so, proceeded to (allegedly) pose for a selfie with the dead boys’ corpse before sending the picture to a friend via Snapchat.

Snapchat automatically deletes pictures after you send them. But kids have found ways to get around this, despite the app’s “self-destruct” feature. Self-taught ‘techies’ now take a screenshot of the photo prior to it being deleted or they save the photo with the help of third-party apps.

These are the loopholes the friend who received Morton’s selfie with the dead body used to save the picture before it got deleted. When he showed the photo to his mother she promptly notified police officers of the murder.

“[Police] received a copy of the photo which depicted the victim sitting in the chair with a gunshot wound to the face,” reads a police affidavit. “It also depicts a black male taking the ‘selfie,’ with his face facing the camera and the victim behind the actor. The photo had the name ‘Maxwell’ across the top.” According to the police affidavit, Morton also sent text messages to his friend saying “Told you I cleaned up the shells” and “Ryan was not the last one.”

Police searched Morton’s home on Friday, February 6 and found a 9mm handgun which may be the murder weapon because  a 9mm casing  was found in Mangan’s bedroom, as well.

Once the gun was found, Morton confessed to the murder. He is currently being held without bail and could be tried as an adult for first-degree murder, criminal homicide, and possession of a firearm.

John Peck, the district attorney for Westmoreland County, told reporters that it was the first time that he encountered a case like the Mangan murder.

“I’ve never seen it before,” he said, “but it was a key piece of evidence that led investigators to the defendant.”


to answer the RDI objections, why did those bank robbers rob a bank and then photograph themselves with the money and upload it on their own facebook?
it makes no sense. and they have been arrested and charged and facing prison.
yet they did.

a photograph of you with the stolen money uploaded on your own facebook is more easily traceable than a handwritten message whose handwriting may or may not resemble the killer's daily handwriting. and even then those criminals didn't care so why should jonbenet's killer.

a simple reply - because he wanted to. for the same reason as the above bank robbers. he felt like doing it. a voice in his head told him to do it. he was bragging and boasting. he was rubbing it in.

killers have taken selfie with murder victim and bank robbers with cash, and uploaded it on social media with their own face and their own account.


detective pinkie wrote:
Hold yourself to the same standards - explain why an intruder would leave a body and a note, simply and believably


detective pinkie Hold yourself to the same standards - explain why the bank robbers John Mogan, 28, and his girlfriend Ashley Duboe, 24 took selfie photos of themselves with the money from their bank robbery and uploaded it on facebook, and got arrested, and apply that to the intruder.


detective pinkie Hold yourself to the same standards - explain why Maxwell Marion Morton murdered via gun shot Ryan Mangan and uploaded himself with the dead victim on social media, where he got caught, and apply that to the intruder.


can RDI explain this "logic"? and whatever answer they give, that is why Jonbenet killer left body and ransom note. Suspect

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