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everything found in JonBenet Ramsey crime scene is potential evidence of an intruder
Wed May 22, 2019
I watched
ON THE CASE WITH PAULA ZAHN S18 • E12
Rocky Mountain Mystery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHLR1iPFG04
one of the things the lead investigator emphasized in this documentary is,
everything found at the crime scene is potential evidence.
when Barbara (Bobbie) Jo Oberholtzer body was found in the woods (left)
they said as investigators they scoured the outdoor where her body was found in a grid, collecting everything
everything they collected was tagged and entered into evidence
they don't know whether it was relevant, but they collected it as potential evidence
Barbara (Bobbie) Jo Oberholtzer was wearing both her socks.
located near her body was this
an orange sock which was collected as potential evidence
at the time of this murder, the importance of this orange sock was unknown as it did not belong to the decedent.
they still collected it but the detectives and investigators were puzzled as to what it was.
now, let's look at how RDI evaluates this evidence
trasha pictured below is an example of an anti-science denialist
this is what she claims
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?76520-Patsy-Ramsey/page92
this is her qualifications
in other words she has ZERO qualifications in forensic science. she has no training in forensic fiber, trace evidence, DNA yet she claims
are cotton fibers and 2 beer cans found in the ally a scintilla of evidence of an intruder?
similarly with Delmar England
are these statements correct?
if you look at any random location in a forest you may find orange socks therefore it is irrelevant?
is this statement correct?
or these?
at the time the investigators discovered this
would this be the correct atttiude to evaluate this
now in the The Unsolved Murder of JonBenet Ramsey
is there any item that is comparable to this?
what that evidence which baffled investigators represented would not be clear for almost another year.
searchingirl knows the story to, apparently from a different documentary than the one i saw as well as anyone familiar with this case, which i was not, until i watched this
I watched
ON THE CASE WITH PAULA ZAHN S18 • E12
Rocky Mountain Mystery
On the Case with Paula Zahn
Published on May 19, 2019
When a young woman disappears on a cold night in Breckenridge Colorado, one of the state's darkest mysteries begins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHLR1iPFG04
one of the things the lead investigator emphasized in this documentary is,
everything found at the crime scene is potential evidence.
when Barbara (Bobbie) Jo Oberholtzer body was found in the woods (left)
they said as investigators they scoured the outdoor where her body was found in a grid, collecting everything
everything they collected was tagged and entered into evidence
they don't know whether it was relevant, but they collected it as potential evidence
Barbara (Bobbie) Jo Oberholtzer was wearing both her socks.
located near her body was this
an orange sock which was collected as potential evidence
at the time of this murder, the importance of this orange sock was unknown as it did not belong to the decedent.
they still collected it but the detectives and investigators were puzzled as to what it was.
now, let's look at how RDI evaluates this evidence
trasha pictured below is an example of an anti-science denialist
this is what she claims
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?76520-Patsy-Ramsey/page92
tricia griffith wrote:
Anti-K, this whole forum has example after example after example that an intruder did not commit this crime.
No one can show one scintilla of evidence of an intruder.
As owner, I do my best to stay out of actual discussions about a crime.
The JBR case is the one expection.
Websleuths is a leader in true crime information as well as discussion. People come here to get information. It is imperative we deal with the facts. Not fantasy.
All I ask for are facts and a logical connecting of the dots. Logic and facts.
When I get time I will be going through the forum to make sure the JonBenet Ramsey forum is being held up to the high standards just like all our other forums on Websleuths.
The days of allowing anyone to post anything because it's part of their "theory" are gone. Facts and logic. Very simple.
this is her qualifications
Host Tricia Griffith is a veteran radio disc jockey and owner of Websleuths.com and owner of Forums for Justice.org.
in other words she has ZERO qualifications in forensic science. she has no training in forensic fiber, trace evidence, DNA yet she claims
tricia griffith wrote:
Anti-K, this whole forum has example after example after example that an intruder did not commit this crime.
No one can show one scintilla of evidence of an intruder.
are cotton fibers and 2 beer cans found in the ally a scintilla of evidence of an intruder?
similarly with Delmar England
delmar england wrote:
Letter to Boulder Colorado District Attorney, Mary Keenan
The crime scene consisted of an obviously bogus multi-page "ransom note" utilizing local materials. JonBenet's body was left in the basement of the Ramsey home with crude trappings falling woefully short of presenting a convincing kidnap\murder scene as it was intended to do. Even without pointing out more of a very long list of corroborating facts, the bogus note and inept staging is more than sufficient to isolate the perpetrators to the Ramsey household. Only a few minutes in examining and evaluating the evidence is required to reach this conclusion. It is impossible to reach any other conclusion on the facts. There was and is no evidentiary reason to look anywhere else. The only mystery to be solved was and is which Ramsey did what in relation to JonBenet's death.
Although it is not possible to reach any other conclusion from the evidence, it is possible to ignore the evidence and mentally invent "evidence" to take the place of truth and keep it hidden. Prompted by preconceived notions set in a context of money and political influence in conjunction with investigative cowardice and incompetence, this is precisely what has been going on for over six years.
delmar wrote:
Handwriting? Patsy has not been ruled out by several examiners. By my own analysis, not of the writing, but of the mind match between the note and Patsy is clear. This is explained in my analysis of the "ransom note." So far, neither you nor anyone else has quoted and challenged it. So, to say the handwriting does not match the Ramseys, thus all Ramseys are excluded as author, is just another arbitrary declaration without substance. Note the exclusion of Ramseys necessarily depends on the intruder idea of no factual substance.
DNA? So, it does not match the family. So what? Who does it match? Unknown? If unknown, how can it be known to connect to the crime and be "evidence?" If the source of this DNA were known, then factually connected to the crime scene, then it is evidence. Absence this, it is just more speculation that caters to intruder mental creation.
Does the DNA have to be connected to the crime? Could it not be from a benign source totally removed from the crime scene? Again, the alleged evidence evidences nothing except itself with no known connection to the crime. No outsider as perpetrator is required to explain the DNA since no connection is known as crime related.
The same is true for boot print, hairs, fibers, etc.. A close look into anyone's house would most likely turn up all sorts of things whose source were unknown whether there is a crime or not. To call something whose source and cause is unknown as evidence is to say it causal related while simultaneously saying cause is unknown, thus relationship unknown; more "negative evidence." If my recollection of high school Latin is correct, this could be called "ignotium per ignotius", the unknown by the more unknown.
This "Ramsey defense" "thinking" is a direct and absurd contradiction that is without limit. With this kind of "investigative latitude", I dare say that one could "prove" anything; or at least, convince the deluded self that he or she has done so. "negative evidence?" Surely, thou jest. I repeat: All known evidence is local.
delmar england wrote:
For every "could be", there is a "could be not", therefore, inconclusive until cause is known. Right? No thing is evidence until evidentiary cause is known. Right? Are we in agreement so far? If not, please point out what you think is my error in thinking, and why you think it is error.
A shoe print is found in the basement whose cause is unknown. It "could be" evidence of an intruder. "Could be not" is forgotten and "evidence" of an intruder is declared to be fact. There is a palm print with cause unknown; a rope with source unknown that "could be" something brought in by an intruder; an unidentified fiber, a baseball bat that "could have" been used by the intruder; a bit of dirt or leaves at a window well which "could have" been disturbed by an intruder. The list goes on and on and on.
This massive "evidence" stated to be more consistent with a theory of intruder than Ramsey guilt is hot air, nothing more than a string of unknowns verbally laced together on "could be", simultaneously divorced from the known, and declared to be much evidence of an intruder. Ridiculous to the max. No wonder no one will step forward and answer questions about alleged evidence of an alleged intruder. Its indefensible.
The beauty of truth is that it is consistent. Every fact is a complement of and blends with every other fact without contradiction. The presence of a contradiction is also the presence of error. Are we in agreement up to this point?
are these statements correct?
if you look at any random location in a forest you may find orange socks therefore it is irrelevant?
is this statement correct?
For every "could be", there is a "could be not", therefore, inconclusive until cause is known. Right? No thing is evidence until evidentiary cause is known. Right? Are we in agreement so far? If not, please point out what you think is my error in thinking, and why you think it is error.
or these?
A shoe print is found in the basement whose cause is unknown. It "could be" evidence of an intruder. "Could be not" is forgotten and "evidence" of an intruder is declared to be fact. There is a palm print with cause unknown; a rope with source unknown that "could be" something brought in by an intruder; an unidentified fiber, a baseball bat that "could have" been used by the intruder; a bit of dirt or leaves at a window well which "could have" been disturbed by an intruder. The list goes on and on and on.
This massive "evidence" stated to be more consistent with a theory of intruder than Ramsey guilt is hot air, nothing more than a string of unknowns verbally laced together on "could be", simultaneously divorced from the known, and declared to be much evidence of an intruder. Ridiculous to the max. No wonder no one will step forward and answer questions about alleged evidence of an alleged intruder. Its indefensible.
The beauty of truth is that it is consistent. Every fact is a complement of and blends with every other fact without contradiction. The presence of a contradiction is also the presence of error. Are we in agreement up to this point?
at the time the investigators discovered this
would this be the correct atttiude to evaluate this
The same is true for boot print, hairs, fibers, etc.. A close look into anyone's house would most likely turn up all sorts of things whose source were unknown whether there is a crime or not. To call something whose source and cause is unknown as evidence is to say it causal related while simultaneously saying cause is unknown, thus relationship unknown; more "negative evidence." If my recollection of high school Latin is correct, this could be called "ignotium per ignotius", the unknown by the more unknown.
now in the The Unsolved Murder of JonBenet Ramsey
is there any item that is comparable to this?
what that evidence which baffled investigators represented would not be clear for almost another year.
searchingirl knows the story to, apparently from a different documentary than the one i saw as well as anyone familiar with this case, which i was not, until i watched this
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