6 handwriting experts conclusions Patsy Ramsey is highly unlikely as author

Sun Feb 13, 2022 6:51 pm

I found this on reddit, which i want to revisit

For example I did not know until I listened to the prosecutors podcast that 5 of the 6 handwriting experts who actually analyzed the original note (not a copy, the actual note) ruled Patsy out ; and the sixth one wasn’t as definitive but still leaned more in ruling her out than ruling her in.

AdequateSizeAttache wrote:
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This is some pretty egregious misinformation. The fact is, 0 out of the 6 handwriting experts ruled Patsy out. That includes the two experts hired by the Ramseys' defense team.

https://www.reddit.com/r/JonBenetRamsey/comments/sr9g38/i_come_in_peace/hws6u3t/?context=8&depth=9



AdequateSizeAttache is a moderator and called this "pretty egregious misinformation"



The 9-point scale as published by the ASTM is as follows:

   1) Identification
   2) Highly probable did write
   3) Probably did write
   4) Indications did write
   5) No conclusion
   6) Indications did not write
   7) Probably did not write
   8- Highly probable did not write
   9) Elimination

with this in mind,
let's look at what the 6 FDE said about Patsy and the ransom note


"Chet Ubowski

"Chet Ubowski of the Colorado Bureau of Investigation concluded that the evidence fell short of that needed to support a conclusion that Mrs. Ramsey wrote the note. (SMF P 197; PSMF P 197.)" (Carnes 2003:26, note 14).

6) Indications did not write
   7) Probably did not write
   8 Highly probable did not write

Speckin Findings.

Speckin's report stated: "When I compare the handwriting habits of Patsy Ramsey with those in the questioned ransom note, there exists agreement to the extent that some of her individual letter formations and letter combinations do appear in the ransom note." (Epstein Deposition (p. 138:9-14) "When this agreement is weighed against the number, type and consistency of the differences present, I am unable to identify Patsy Ramsey as the author of the questioned ransom note with any degree of certainty. I am, however, unable to eliminate her as the author." (Epstein Deposition (p. 138:25 through p. 139:1-6).

6) Indications did not write
   7) Probably did not write
   8 Highly probable did not write

Richard Dusak

Dusak Findings. "Richard Dusick (sic) of the U.S. Secret Service concluded that there was "no evidence to indicate that Patsy Ramsey executed any of the questioned material appearing on the Ransom Note." (SMF P 200; PSMF P 200.)" (Carnes 2003:26, note 14).

Qualifications. Dusak is a member of the American Board of Forensic Document Examiners. According to ABFDE: "The American Board of Forensic Document Examiners (ABFDE) is the only certifying board sponsored by the American Society of Questioned Document Examiners, the Canadian Society of Forensic Sciences, The Southeastern Association of Forensic Document Examiners, the Southwestern Association of Forensic Document Examiners, and is recognized by the American Academy of Forensic Sciences.

   8 Highly probable did not write
   9) Elimination

Edwin F. Alford, Jr.

Alford asserted: "Examination of the questioned handwriting and comparison with the handwriting specimens submitted has failed to provide a basis for identifying Patricia Ramsey as the writer of the letter."
Alford Qualifications. Alford is a diplomate of the American Board of Forensic Document Examiners

   8 Highly probable did not write
   9) Elimination


Lloyd Cunningham

Cunningham Findings.

No Significant Similar Characteristics. "Lloyd Cunningham, a private forensic document examiner hired by defendants, concluded that there were no significant similar individual characteristics shared by the handwriting of Mrs. Ramsey and the author of the Ransom Note, but there were many significant differences between the handwritings. (SMF P 201; PSMF P 201.)" (Carnes 2003:26, note 14).

   8 Highly probable did not write
   9) Elimination

Howard C. Rile, Jr.

Rile Findings. "Howard Rile concluded that Mrs. Ramsey was between "probably not" and "elimination," on a scale of whether she wrote the Ransom Note. (SMF P 202; PSMF P 202.)" (Carnes 2003:26, note 14). This also is confirmed in Epstein Deposition, p. 150:6-9).
Qualifications. Rile is a member of the American Board of Forensic Document Examiners, the only professional certifying organization in the profession.

Howard Rile  explicitly states  Mrs. Ramsey was between "probably not" and "elimination,"

   8 Highly probable did not write
   9) Elimination


which of course is the opposite of what

AdequateSizeAttache wrote:
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This is some pretty egregious misinformation. The fact is, 0 out of the 6 handwriting experts ruled Patsy out. That includes the two experts hired by the Ramseys' defense team.

Howard Rile and Lloyd Cunningham stated that taken together all 6 findings Patsy Ramsey should be assigned as

   8 Highly probable did not write

while this is not 9 on the ASTM scale of elimination, scoring 8 out of 9 makes it highly unlikely Patsy Ramsey wrote the ransom note based on forensic handwriting identification, it does NOT mean, Patsy didn't score a 9 on the ASTM scale, therefore Patsy was the only writer who couldn't be eliminated.

RDI who claim that Patsy was not eliminated based on not making a 9 on the ASTM scale, and then claiming therefore Patsy wrote it are factually incorrect. It is highly unlikely Patsy wrote the ransom note.

Since we don't have the actual written reports at hand, the conclusion of Edwin F. Alford, Jr and Edwin F. Alford, Jr could actually be 9 elimination on the ASTM scale, although 8 highly improbable is also possible.

there is no evidence Patsy wrote the ransom note, and on an ASTM scale, the conclusions of the 6 FDE taken together is it is highly unlikely she wrote the ransom note scoring an 8 out of 9. it is not correct to say, she cannot be eliminated therefore she wrote the ransom note.

a 7 or 8 could be described as ruling Patsy out, with 9 being elimination.

All 6 eliminated John Ramsey (9) out.


When it comes to John and Patsy Ramsey as authors of the ransom note,

these are not the droids you are looking for. Move along.

in combination with DNA and other evidence, we can conclude the best explanation is intruder theory