Why touch DNA is scientific forensic evidence of an intruder in JonBenet Ramsey and Jeffrey MacDonald

Tue May 23, 2023 2:54 pm

I watched

48 hours Season 36 Episode 13 -
The Idaho Student Murders

Four college students are found stabbed to death in their home. Police say the suspect had studied the criminal mind. "48 Hours" correspondent Peter Van Sant reports.

note pictures from this documentary are included under fair use provision of copyright, specifically education

before I continue let's review RDI claims on touch DNA is not evidence of an intruder in
The Unsolved Murder of JonBenet Ramsey



does that DNA have any forensic value?

now this is RDI and forumsforjustice Tricia griffith


Tricia pictured below is an example of an anti-science denialist




this is what she claims

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?76520-Patsy-Ramsey/page92

tricia griffith wrote:
Anti-K, this whole forum has example after example after example that an intruder did not commit this crime.

No one can show one scintilla of evidence of an intruder.

As owner, I do my best to stay out of actual discussions about a crime.

The JBR case is the one expection.

Websleuths is a leader in true crime information as well as discussion. People come here to get information. It is imperative we deal with the facts. Not fantasy.

All I ask for are facts and a logical connecting of the dots. Logic and facts.

When I get time I will be going through the forum to make sure the JonBenet Ramsey forum is being held up to the high standards just like all our other forums on Websleuths.

The days of allowing anyone to post anything because it's part of their "theory" are gone. Facts and logic. Very simple.

this is her qualifications

Host Tricia Griffith is a veteran radio disc jockey and owner of Websleuths.com and owner of Forums for Justice.org.

in other words she has ZERO qualifications in forensic science. she has no training in forensic fiber, trace evidence, DNA yet she claims

tricia griffith wrote:
Anti-K, this whole forum has example after example after example that an intruder did not commit this crime.

No one can show one scintilla of evidence of an intruder.

similarly with Delmar England

delmar england wrote:
Letter to Boulder Colorado District Attorney, Mary Keenan

The crime scene consisted of an obviously bogus multi-page "ransom note" utilizing local materials. JonBenet's body was left in the basement of the Ramsey home with crude trappings falling woefully short of presenting a convincing kidnap\murder scene as it was intended to do. Even without pointing out more of a very long list of corroborating facts, the bogus note and inept staging is more than sufficient to isolate the perpetrators to the Ramsey household. Only a few minutes in examining and evaluating the evidence is required to reach this conclusion. It is impossible to reach any other conclusion on the facts. There was and is no evidentiary reason to look anywhere else. The only mystery to be solved was and is which Ramsey did what in relation to JonBenet's death.

Although it is not possible to reach any other conclusion from the evidence, it is possible to ignore the evidence and mentally invent "evidence" to take the place of truth and keep it hidden. Prompted by preconceived notions set in a context of money and political influence in conjunction with investigative cowardice and incompetence, this is precisely what has been going on for over six years.

delmar wrote:
Handwriting? Patsy has not been ruled out by several examiners. By my own analysis, not of the writing, but of the mind match between the note and Patsy is clear. This is explained in my analysis of the "ransom note." So far, neither you nor anyone else has quoted and challenged it. So, to say the handwriting does not match the Ramseys, thus all Ramseys are excluded as author, is just another arbitrary declaration without substance. Note the exclusion of Ramseys necessarily depends on the intruder idea of no factual substance.

DNA? So, it does not match the family. So what? Who does it match? Unknown? If unknown, how can it be known to connect to the crime and be "evidence?" If the source of this DNA were known, then factually connected to the crime scene, then it is evidence. Absence this, it is just more speculation that caters to intruder mental creation.

Does the DNA have to be connected to the crime? Could it not be from a benign source totally removed from the crime scene? Again, the alleged evidence evidences nothing except itself with no known connection to the crime. No outsider as perpetrator is required to explain the DNA since no connection is known as crime related.

The same is true for boot print, hairs, fibers, etc.. A close look into anyone's house would most likely turn up all sorts of things whose source were unknown whether there is a crime or not. To call something whose source and cause is unknown as evidence is to say it causal related while simultaneously saying cause is unknown, thus relationship unknown; more "negative evidence." If my recollection of high school Latin is correct, this could be called "ignotium per ignotius", the unknown by the more unknown.

This "Ramsey defense" "thinking" is a direct and absurd contradiction that is without limit. With this kind of "investigative latitude", I dare say that one could "prove" anything; or at least, convince the deluded self that he or she has done so. "negative evidence?" Surely, thou jest. I repeat: All known evidence is local.

delmar england wrote:
For every "could be", there is a "could be not", therefore, inconclusive until cause is known. Right? No thing is evidence until evidentiary cause is known. Right? Are we in agreement so far? If not, please point out what you think is my error in thinking, and why you think it is error.

A shoe print is found in the basement whose cause is unknown. It "could be" evidence of an intruder. "Could be not" is forgotten and "evidence" of an intruder is declared to be fact. There is a palm print with cause unknown; a rope with source unknown that "could be" something brought in by an intruder; an unidentified fiber, a baseball bat that "could have" been used by the intruder; a bit of dirt or leaves at a window well which "could have" been disturbed by an intruder. The list goes on and on and on.

This massive "evidence" stated to be more consistent with a theory of intruder than Ramsey guilt is hot air, nothing more than a string of unknowns verbally laced together on "could be", simultaneously divorced from the known, and declared to be much evidence of an intruder. Ridiculous to the max. No wonder no one will step forward and answer questions about alleged evidence of an alleged intruder. Its indefensible.

The beauty of truth is that it is consistent. Every fact is a complement of and blends with every other fact without contradiction. The presence of a contradiction is also the presence of error. Are we in agreement up to this point?

the investigators of the Craig Neil murder said the cause of the cotton fibers were unknown. what they meant.

and the cause of the 2 beer cans are unknown.

again this is tricia griffith





and delmar england

DNA? So, it does not match the family. So what? Who does it match? Unknown? If unknown, how can it be known to connect to the crime and be "evidence?" If the source of this DNA were known, then factually connected to the crime scene, then it is evidence. Absence this, it is just more speculation that caters to intruder mental creation.

Does the DNA have to be connected to the crime? Could it not be from a benign source totally removed from the crime scene? Again, the alleged evidence evidences nothing except itself with no known connection to the crime. No outsider as perpetrator is required to explain the DNA since no connection is known as crime related


The same is true for boot print, hairs, fibers, etc.. A close look into anyone's house would most likely turn up all sorts of things whose source were unknown whether there is a crime or not. To call something whose source and cause is unknown as evidence is to say it causal related while simultaneously saying cause is unknown, thus relationship unknown; more "negative evidence." If my recollection of high school Latin is correct, this could be called "ignotium per ignotius", the unknown by the more unknown.

This "Ramsey defense" "thinking" is a direct and absurd contradiction that is without limit. With this kind of "investigative latitude", I dare say that one could "prove" anything; or at least, convince the deluded self that he or she has done so. "negative evidence?" Surely, thou jest. I repeat: All known evidence is local.

are these statements true?




4 Idaho college students found dead in apparent homicide

Four University of Idaho students who were found dead off campus on Sunday were believed to be the victims of homicide, school officials said.

The students were identified by the Moscow, Idaho, police as: Ethan Chapin, 20, of Conway, Washington; Madison Mogen, 21, of Coeur d’Alene, Idaho; Xana Kernodle, 20, of Avondale, Arizona; and Kaylee GonCalves, 21, of Rathdrum, Idaho.

Moscow police Capt. Anthony Dahlinger told the Idaho Statesman that all four students are considered victims, not suspects.

let's see,

A photo posted by Kaylee Goncalves only a few days ago shows University of Idaho students Ethan Chapin, Xana Kernodle, Madison Mogen and Goncalves. The four were found dead at an off-campus house on Nov. 13, 2022.

so 3 white females were murdered. I don't hear much about University of Idaho

“We certainly have a crime here, so we are looking for a suspect,” he told the newspaper.

No one is in custody and the police department said it "does not believe there is an ongoing community risk."

Chapin, a freshman, was in the Sigma Chi fraternity and was majoring in recreation, sport and tourism management, university president Scott Green said.

Mogen, a senior, and Kernodle, a junior, were both marketing majors in the Pi Beta Phi sorority, Green said.

Goncalves, a senior, was majoring in general studies and was in the Alpha Phi sorority, Green said.

"Words cannot adequately describe the light these students brought to this world or ease the depth of suffering we feel at their passing under these tragic circumstances," Green said in a statement. "The university is working directly with those affected and is committed to supporting all students, families and employees as this event undeniably touches all of us."

The police department said it's "deeply saddened for the families of these individuals, fellow students and friends, and our community during this time. Our heartfelt sympathies go out to each and every person affected by this incident."

Anyone with information is asked to call the Moscow Police Department at 208-882-2677.

whodunit

I don't usually think very attractive 20 something blonde college students, University of Idaho here, bad things happen to them as they are blessed by the gods, here it is 3

Xana Kernodle, 20 Kaylee GonCalves, 21  Madison Mogen, 21,

Four University of Idaho students found dead of suspected homicides in off-campus housing were named by officials Monday.November 14, 2022

The Moscow Police Department identified the four college kids as Ethan Chapin, 20, Madison Mogen, 21, Xana Kernodle, 20, and Kaylee GonCalves, 21. The four appeared to be friends based off social media accounts. Chapin and Kernodle appeared to be in a relationship.





Kaylee GonCalves, (left) and Madison Mogen were found dead in University of Idaho off-campus housing.






The tragic discovery Sunday originally led the university to order students to shelter in place until police ensured there was no ongoing threat to the community.



Kaylee GonCalves, a 21-year-old, senior from Rathdrum, who graduated from Lake City High, majoring in General Studies in the College of Letters, Arts, and Social Sciences.




The second victim, also a Lake City High graduate, Madison Mogen, also a 21-year-old senior from Coeur d’Alene, who was majoring in Marketing at the College of Business and Economics.




Kaylee & Madison were lifelong childhood friends.



Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin were believed to be in a relationship before their deaths.





Xana Kernodle, a 20-year-old junior from Post Falls, was majoring in Marketing in the College of Business and Economics and was a member of the Pi Beta Phi sorority.


In the muder there were 2 survivors who were not attacked.


Were they killed by an inside job or is there an evidence of an intruder.

from 48 hours

the crime scene




they tested the crime scene for DNA evidence.

they tested this knife sheaf found at the crime scene for DNA





this is the official report from touch DNA testing




so

is finding 1 single DNA profile via touch DNA evidence on a knife sheath evidence that an intruder entered this home and killed 4 college students, 3 girls and 1 boy, or was it an inside job?

answer





oh, and the 4 college student in Idaho murder is an intruder case, here the actual evidence an intruder killed 4 college students via knife, is touch DNA on a knife sheaf.

is the DNA evidence in Jonbenet, same DNA found in her panties also  found in 2 locations on a separate piece of clothing, her long johns, in context of a sexual assault stronger or weaker evidence than finding 1 DNA profile on a knife sheaf where 4 college students were stabbed to death?

why did 2 college students not get attacked?

could Tricia Griffith or Delmar England or any RDI explain why 1 single DNA profile obtained via touch DNA evidence of an intruder in the Idaho college student intruder murders, but obtaining 3 DNA profiles of 1 perp in the Jonbenet is not evidence of an intruder.

this analysis applies both to Jonbenet and Jeffrey MacDonald