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Jonbenet and Eloise Worledge victims of the Paranormal
an intro
Eloise Worledge disappeared from her home 8 years old. Jonbenet was of course found murdered.
I'm a fan of the paranormal, from UFO's to Bigfoot.
David Paulides is author of missing 411. many individuals have entered forests and disappeared. one famous example is Paula Weldon
his theory is that bigfoot has been targetting killing and even eating these individuals.
UFO has been identified as abducting Malayalam airlines and an earlier one in Australia.
I dont have any "scientific" evidence but that's why it's called paranormal.
I've wondered if there is a poltergeist like entity that kidnaps children from their beds at night, or in the case of JB, kills them, and enters them through a bermuda like vortex. Their souls are with this poltergeist entity in another dimension.
In the case of JB this entity wrote the RN and staged the scene. In the case of Eloise she was abducted through the portal.
In this paranormal theory then the soul of JB and Eloise are alive in a sense and are together along with other abducted children.
there maybe children of other races and languages there to, but my search is limited to english sources and those 2 girls struck me as possible candidates.
my paranormal theory is that through the ages a poltergeist like entity abducts children from the beds at night in their own homes. this even serves as the basis for stories of trolls and the boogey man.
Eloise Worledge and Jonbenet are 2 recent victims of this entity. If i were a father of a blond beautiful white girl, under 10, i would not want to live in either the Ramsay's or Worledge's home, for that entity may return to claim another victim.
Eloise Worledge had a 3 year old brother at the time, and Jonbenet had Burke. so this entity does not seem to be attracted to boys at this time.
one prediction is that since eloise worledge was abducted 12 January 1976 and jonbenet dec 26 1996 then by 2016 in jan/dec another girl under 10, white blonde, will disappear at night or be murdered and another by 2036 and 2056.
perhaps like the intro, this entity attaches itself to teddy bears.
if i were a father i'd have a priest or wicca or taoist perform yearly exorcisms and have crosses and angels and buddha statutes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boogey_man
A bogeyman (also spelled bogieman, boogeyman, or boogie man, and pronounced /bʊɡimæn/ or /boʊɡimæn/)[1] is a mythical creature in many cultures used by adults or older children to frighten bad children into good behavior. This monster has no specific appearance, and conceptions about it can vary drastically from household to household within the same community; in many cases, he has no set appearance in the mind of an adult or child, but is simply a non-specific embodiment of terror. Parents may tell their children that if they misbehave, the bogeyman will get them. Bogeymen may target a specific mischief—for instance, a bogeyman that punishes children who suck their thumbs—or general misbehaviour, depending on what purpose needs serving. In some cases, the bogeyman is a nickname for the Devil.
Bogeyman tales vary by region. The bogeyman is usually a masculine entity but can be any gender or simply androgynous.
Analogies in other cultures
Bogeyman-like beings are nearly universal; common to folklore in many disparate countries.
Sack Man
Main article: Sack Man
In many countries, a bogeyman variant is portrayed as a man with a sack on his back who carries naughty children away. This is true for many Latin countries, such as Brazil, Portugal, Spain, and the countries of Spanish America, where it referred to as el "Hombre del costal", el "hombre del saco", or in Portuguese, o "homem do saco" (all of which mean "the sack/bag man"), or el roba-chicos, meaning child-stealer. Similar legends are also very common in Eastern Europe, as well as Haiti and some countries in Asia.
El Coco
Main article: Coco (folklore)
El Coco (also El Cuco and Cucuy, sometimes called El Bolo) is a monster common to many Spanish-speaking countries.
In Spain, parents will sing lullabies or tell rhymes to children, warning them that if they do not sleep, El Coco will come and get them. The rhyme originated in the 17th century has evolved over the years, but still retains its original meaning. Coconuts (Spanish: coco) received that name because their brownish hairy surface reminded Portuguese explorers of coco, a ghost with a pumpkin head. Latin America also has El Coco, although its folklore is usually quite different, commonly mixed with native beliefs, and, because of cultural contacts, sometimes more related to the bogeyman of the United States. However, the term El Coco is also used in Spanish-speaking Latin American countries, such as Bolivia, Colombia, Guatemala, Peru, Mexico, El Salvador, Honduras, and the Dominican Republic, although there it is more usually called El Cuco, as in Puerto Rico, Chile, Uruguay and Argentina. In Mexico and among Mexican-Americans, El Cucuy is portrayed as an evil monster that hides under children's bed at night and kidnaps or eats the child that does not obey his/her parents or go to sleep when it is time to do so. However, the Spanish American bogeyman does not resemble the shapeless or hairy monster of Spain: social sciences professor Manuel Medrano says popular legend describes El cucuy as a small humanoid with glowing red eyes that hides in closets or under the bed. 'Some lore has him as a kid who was the victim of violence... and now he’s alive, but he’s not,' Medrano said, citing Xavier Garza's 2004 book Creepy Creatures and other Cucuys."[7]
In Brazilian folklore, a similar character called Cuca is depicted as a female humanoid alligator. There's a famous lullaby sung by most parents to their children that says that the Cuca will come and get them if they do not sleep, just as in Spain. The Cuca is also a character of Monteiro Lobato's Sítio do Picapau Amarelo, a series of short novels written for children, which contain a large number of characters from Brazilian folklore.
Babau
For the creature in the Dungeons & Dragons game, see Babau (Dungeons & Dragons). For the Indonesian city, see Bau-Bau.
In the countries of the eastern Mediterranean, children who misbehave are threatened with a creature known as "babau" (or "baubau", "baobao", "bavbav" or similar). In Italy and Romania, the Babau (in Romania, Bau-bau) is also called l'uomo nero (Romanian: omul negru) or "black man". In Italy, he is portrayed as a tall man wearing a heavy black coat, with a black hood or hat which hides his face. Sometimes, parents will knock loudly under the table, pretending that someone is knocking at the door, and saying: "Here comes l'uomo nero! He must know that there's a child here who doesn't want to drink his soup!" L'uomo nero is not supposed to eat or harm children, just take them away to a mysterious and frightening place. A popular lullaby says that he would keep a child with him "for a whole year".[8] In Slovenia, the "Bavbav" is described as a formless spirit. In Greece and Cyprus, the equivalent of the Bogeyman is known as Baboulas (Greek: Μπαμπούλας). Typically, he is said to be hiding under the bed, although the details of his story is adapted by the parents in a variety of ways. In Egypt "al-Bu'bu'" (البعبع) is often depicted as a night creature that is dressed in black, who haunts children that misbehave.
Butzemann
In Germanic countries, the bogeyman is called the butzemann, busseman, buhman or boeman. In Germany, the bogeyman is known as the "Buhmann" or the Butzemann. The common German expression is "der schwarze Mann" (engl. the black man), which refers directly to some inhuman or rather paranormal creature, which carries children away and hides in the dark corners under the bed or in the closet. The figure is part of the children game "Wer hat Angst vorm schwarzen Mann" (Who is afraid of the boggie-man).
In Denmark, it is known as the busseman or Bøhman. It hides under the bed and grabs children who will not sleep. Like the English, it is also a slang term for nasal mucus. In Norway, he is referred to as the Busemann. In the Netherlands, the Boeman is portrayed as a creature that resembles a man, dressed completely black, with sharp claws and fangs. He hides under the bed or in the closet. The Bogeyman takes bad children or those that refuse to sleep and locks them in his basement for a period of time.
In the Pennsylvania Dutch dialect, used in those areas of Pennsylvania colonized by Swiss and Germanic peoples during the eighteenth century, "der Butzemann" is the term for a male scarecrow. A female scarecrow is a "Butzefrau".
Other examples
Afghanistan - Bala or Newanay Mama, which means "The Monster or Crazy person", is used to scare children when they don't want to sleep or when they don't want to take their medicine.
Albania - There are two similar creatures that are used to frighten children. In the South (Vlore area), there is Katallani, that means "the Catalan." This is a collective memory of the Catalan occupation many centuries ago, from South Italy; then in the whole country, there is Gogoli, that indeed means "the Mongol" and is a collective memory of the Golden horde.
Algeria- A monster made up of various animal parts called H'awouahoua. It has eyes that are blobs of flaming spit and a coat made of the clothes of the children it eats.
Azerbaijan - A bogeyman-like creature parents refer to make children behave is called khokhan ("xoxan").
Bahamas – "Small man" is the name given to a man who rides in a cart drawn by itself and picks up any child seen outside after sundown, the term "rollin' cart" was used to scare children who didn't behave. Anyone taken by the small man becomes a small person and has to ride on the back of his cart with him forever.
Belgium - A faceless bogeyman called "Oude Rode Ogen" (Old Red Eyes) was known throughout the Flanders region and said to originate in Mechelen. It is said to have been a cannibalistic shapeshifter that was able to change between human form to that of a black dog. It later became a children's story in the early 1900s called "The Nikker", known to devour young children that stayed up past their bedtime.
In Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Serbia and Macedonia, the Bogeyman is called Babaroga, baba meaning old woman and rogovi meaning horns, literally meaning old woman with horns. The details vary from one household to another. In one household, babaroga takes children, puts them in a sack and then, when it comes to its cave, eats them. In another household, it takes children and pulls them up through tiny holes in the ceiling.
Brazil and Portugal - A monster more akin to the Bogeyman is called Bicho Papão (Eating Beast) or Sarronco (Deep-Voiced Man). A notable difference between it and the homem do saco is that the latter is a daytime menace and "Bicho Papão" is a night-time menace.
Bulgaria- In some villages, people used to believe that a hairy, dark, ghost-like creature called a talasam (Ta-lah-SUMM) lived in the shadows of the barn or in the attic and came out at night to scare little children. In addition, there is a city-folklore creature called Torbalan (the Bag-man) who raids during the night kidnapping children that have misbehaved.
Congo - In the Lingala language, the Dongola Miso or "Creature with Scary Eyes" is used to discourage children from staying up beyond bedtime. It is also used to warn children or even adults about the potential danger in speaking to or dealing with strangers.
China - "Ou-wu" is usually described as a witch or a scary woman who kidnaps children who misbehave. It is popular among southern regions of China and places like Hong Kong. The origin of the term is a pronoun for "monster" and it is widely used as a synonym for "ugly" or "hideous" even until today.
Cyprus - In the Cypriot dialect, Bogeyman is called Kkullas (Κκουλλάς).
Egypt - The "Abu Rigl Maslukha" (ابو رجل مسلوخة), which translates to the "Man With Burnt/Skinned Leg". It is a very scary story that parents tell their children when they misbehave. The "Abu Rigl Maslukha" is a monster that got burnt when he was a child because he did not listen to his parents. He grabs naughty children to cook and eat them.
Finland - The equivalent of the Bogeyman in Finland is mörkö. The most famous usage of the word these days takes place in Moomin-stories (originally written in Swedish) in which mörkö (the Groke) is a frightening, dark blue, big, ghost-looking creature.
France - The French equivalent of the Bogeyman is le croque-mitaine ("the mitten-biter" or rather "the hand-cruncher", mitaine means mitt in an informal way).[9]
Georgia - In addition to a "Bag Man" much similar to its namesakes from other cultures, in Georgia, a fictional creature called "Bua" is sometimes used by parents to (lightly) scare little children (up to preschool age) when misbehaving; e.g., "if you don't eat well now, Bua will come", or "do you hear Bua knocking? It asks why you don't want to go to bed". It's usually not specified what Bua looks like or what it does to children; Nevertheless, Bua can "bite you", or "take you away". It also can "steal" something: "You can't have more candys now — Bua took it". There may be an etymological link to "bu" — Georgian word for owl, which makes night sounds scary for children.
Germany - The Bogeyman is known as Der schwarze Mann (the black man). "Schwarz" does not refer to the colour of his skin (most Germans had never met a real black person during the time these legends developed) but to his preference for hiding in dark places, like the closet, under the bed of children or in forests at night. There is also an active game for little children which is called Wer hat Angst vorm schwarzen Mann? (Who is afraid of the black man?) or an old traditional folk song Es tanzt ein Bi-Ba-Butzemann in unserm Haus herum (A Bi-Ba-Bogeyman dances around in our house) and the grossmann.
Guyana- In Guyana, the "Bogeyman" is known as a "Jumbi". It is a popular belief that he only lives in the dark. It is said that he lives in the closet and under the bed. It is used to scare children to eat their food, so they can defend themselves against him. "Jumbies" eat little boys and girls, starting with the leg, to the brains.
Haiti - In Haiti, there is a popular belief that a tall man, with legs two floors high, walks around the towns at midnight to catch and eat the people that stay outside. He is called Mètminwi, which seems to be a contraction of mèt (from French "maître" English "master" and minwi from French "minuit" englsh "midnight", hence meaning the "master of midnight").
Tonton Macoute or Uncle gunnysack was a Haitian bogeyman who would snare misbehaving children and eat them for breakfast. The MVSN, a secret police force of Haiti, used this myth as a tool for control as many Tonton Macoutes were Voodoo adherents.
Papa Doc was an alter-ego of Former Haitian President Francois Duvalier. He parlayed Haitian mythology and presented himself as Baron Samedi the Voodoo Loa of Death. His fashion was designed to enforce the mystique of his personality cult as he dressed like Baron Samdi and hid his eyes with sunglasses.
Hejaz, Saudi Arabia - أمنا الغولة والدوجيرة or "Dojairah and Umna al Ghola", which means "Our mother the Monster", is used to scare children when they misbehave or walk alone outside.
Hungary - The Hungarian equivalent of the Bogeyman is the Mumus, which is a monster-like creature, and the Zsákos Ember, a man with a sack, and this is the literal meaning of his name. A third creature is the Rézfaszú bagoly ("Copperpenis Owl"), a giant owl with a copper penis.[10]
Iceland - The Icelandic equivalent of the Bogeyman is Grýla, a female troll who would take misbehaving children and eat them during Christmas Eve. However, as the story goes, she has been dead for some time. She is also the mother of the Yule Lads, the Icelandic equivalent of Santa Claus.
India - In India, the entity is known by different names.
Bihar Parents use the demon name Bhakolwa for the same purpose.
South India -In Karnataka, the demon "Goggayya"(roughly meaning 'terrible man') can be treated as counterpart of Bogeyman. In the state of Tamil Nadu, children are often mock-threatened with the Rettai Kannan (the two-eyed one) or Poochaandi (பூச்சாண்டி), a monster or fearsome man that children are sometimes threatened with if they are not obedient or refuse to eat. In the state of Andhra Pradesh, the equivalent of bogeyman is Boochodu. In central Kerala, Bogeyman is referred to as 'Kokkachi' who will 'take away' children for disobeying their parents or misbehave in any manner. Children are then at freedom to conjure up what terrible things might happen to them, once taken away by Kokkachi. In South Kerala, it is called 'Oochandi'. Among Konkani speaking people of the Western Coast of India, 'Gongo' is the Bogeyman equivalent.
Among Marathi language speaking people (predominantly of Maharashtra), parents threaten the misbehaving children with a male ghost called 'Buva' (बुवा). In general, the 'Buva' is supposed to kidnap children when they misbehave or do not sleep. A lot of times, the name 'Bagul Buva' is also used.
Assamese parents ask children to go to sleep otherwise Kaan khowa would eat their ears.
Indonesia - In Indonesia, Wewe Gombel is a ghost that kidnaps children mistreated by their parents. She keeps the children in her nest atop an Arenga pinnata palm tree and does not harm them. She takes care of the children as a grandmother until the parents become aware of what they had done. If the parents decide to mend their ways and truly want their children back, Wewe Gombel will return them unharmed. This ghost is named Wewe Gombel because it originated in and event that took place in Bukit Gombel, Semarang.[11]
Iran - In Persian culture, children who misbehave may be told by their parents to be afraid of lulu (لولو) who eats up the naughty children. Lulu is usually called lulu-khorkhore (bogeyman who eats everything up). The threat is generally used to make small children eat their meals.
Iraq's ancient folklore has the saalua, a half-witch half-demon ghoul that "is used by parents to scare naughty children". She is briefly mentioned in a tale of the 1001 Nights, and is known in some other Gulf countries as well.[12]
Italy - In Italy, "L'uomo nero" (meaning 'the black man') is a demon that can appear as a black man or black ghost without legs, often used by adults for scaring their children when they don't want to sleep. In different places of the country, it's known also as "babau".[13][better source needed][14]
Japan - Namahage are demons that warn children not to be lazy or cry, during the Namahage Sedo Matsuri, or "Demon Mask Festival", when villagers don demon masks and pretend to be these spirits.[15]
Korea - Dokebi (도깨비) is understood as a monster that appears to get misbehaving children. Other variations include mangtae younggam (망태 영감) an oldman (younggam) who carries a mesh sack (mahngtae) to put his kidnapped children in. In some regions, mangtae younggam is replaced by mangtae halmum (망태 할멈), an old woman with a mesh sack.
Myanmar - Children are threatened with Pashu Gaung Phyat (ပသျှူးခေါင်းဖြတ်), meaning Malayu Headhunter. In Burmese, Malays were called "Pashu", which may come from Bajau or Bugis. Even Peninsular Malaysia was called Pashu Peninsula. It is common knowledge that some ethnic groups in Eastern Malaysia, Iban and Dayak were notorious headhunters. Although the Wa tribe of Burma was famous previously until the 1970s, ferocious headhunters,[16] it is a mystery why Burmese use the faraway Pashus as bogeymen.
Plaque at Itum Bahal, Kathmandu showing Gurumapa.
Nepal - In Nepali, a popular bogeyman character is the 'hau-guji'. Among the Newars, the 'Gurumapa' is a mythological ape-like creature who was supposed to enjoy devouring children. Itum Bahal of inner Kathmandu and Tinkhya open space in front of Bhadrakali temple in the centre of Kathmandu are associated with the fable of Gurumapa.[17]
Pakistan - A bogeyman-like creature parents refer to make children behave is called Bhoot or Jin Baba, which mean ghost and Djinn respectively.
Philippines - Pugot (only in most Ilocano regions), Sipay, Mamu and Mumu. In Kapampangan culture it is known as the Mánguang Anak or the Child-Snatcher.
Quebec - in this French-speaking province of Canada, the Bonhomme Sept-Heures (7 o'clock man) is said to visit houses around 7 o'clock to take misbehaving children who will not go to bed back to his cave where he feasts on them.
Russia - Children are warned that Babayka will come for them at nights if they behave badly.
Serbia - Bauk is an animal-like mythical creature in Serbian mythology. Bauk is described as hiding in dark places, holes or abandoned houses, waiting to grab, carry away and devour its victim; but it can be scared away by light and noise. It has clumsy gait (bauljanje), and its onomatopoeia is bau (Serbian pronunciation: [bau]).
Singapore - The locals have a similar reference to the Bogeyman, typically told to young children as "Ah Bu Neh Neh", or in some cases, "Matah", catching them when they are guilty of naughty acts. Although "Matah" actually stands for "Mata-Mata" in Malay, which means a spy or spies but is generally used by the locals as a nickname for the police.
Spain- El ogro (the Spanish word for ogre) is a shapeless figure, sometimes a hairy monster, that hides in closets or under beds and eats children that misbehave when they are told to go to bed.
Sri Lanka- Among the Sinhalese people, the Gonibilla (Sinhala, translates roughly to 'sack-kidnapper') is a figure that is described as carrying away unruly children in a sack, day or night.
Sweden - in Sweden, the Bogeyman is sometimes referred to as Monstret under sängen, which essentially means "the monster under the bed".
Switzerland - in Switzerland, the Bogeyman is called Böllima or Böögg (pron.ˈbøk) and has an important role in the springtime ceremonies. The figure is the symbol of winter and death, so in the Sechseläuten ceremony in the City of Zürich, where a figure of the Böögg is burnt. In Southern Switzerland, people have the same traditions as in Italy.
Trinidad and Tobago - Most Trinbagonians (rural demographic mostly) refer to folklore to scare disobedient children. The most common word that is used is Jumbie. Some "jumbies" are the Soucouyant, Lagahoo, La Diabless, Papa Bois, etc. "Bogeyman" is also used in the same context as its origin but by mostly urbanised citizens, and it can also can be called "The Babooman".
Turkey - Gulyabani is a gigantic, strange creature that frightens children and adults alike.
United Arab Emirates Children were scared with (Om Al- Khadar wa Alleef) (أم الخضر واللّيف) which means (Mother of green and leef "bark"), which takes the appearance of a tall woman with very long hair that flows in the wind, and this name is used in the UAE and some neighboring countries like Bahrain, this Mythical creature is usually used by parents to make their children stay inside after sun set and go to sleep (scaring them with her) she was used depending on what was demanded usually after sunset/dark, This name was simply inspired by (the Palm tree) because of the scary sounds and noises that come out of it when the wind blows, also because it's high and it's leaves are so long that it resembles a woman.
United States - The Jersey Devil, which originated in the New Jersey Pine Barrens, is believed by many to be an old time Bogeyman created by residents to scare off travelers from coming into the area. Bloody Bones, also known as Rawhead or Tommy Rawhead, is a boogeyman of the U.S. South.[18] Bloody Bones tales originated in Britain.[19] Bogeyman may be called "Boogerman" or "Boogermonster" in rural areas of the American South, and was most often used to keep young children from playing outside past dark, or wandering off in the forest. During the Corn Festival, young Cherokee males wearing caricature masks would make fun of politicians, frighten children into being good, and moreover shake their masks at young women and chase them around. Male participants in this Booger Dance were referred to as the Booger Man.[20] In some Midwestern states of the United States, the bogeyman scratches at the window. In the Pacific Northwest, he may manifest in "green fog". In other places, he hides or appears from under the bed or in the closet and tickles children when they go to sleep at night, while in others, he is a tall figure in a black hooded cloak who puts children in a sack. It is said that a wart can be transmitted to someone by the bogeyman.[21]
Mid West- In the heartland of America, there is an old evil spector who comes out of the cornfields and takes the souls of people who show fear and punish the bad children with the help from his minions. He is called Korn Stalker. It is said that he is the birth of fear, the Devil's role model, the Midwest Boogeyman.
Eloise Worledge disappeared from her home 8 years old. Jonbenet was of course found murdered.
I'm a fan of the paranormal, from UFO's to Bigfoot.
David Paulides is author of missing 411. many individuals have entered forests and disappeared. one famous example is Paula Weldon
his theory is that bigfoot has been targetting killing and even eating these individuals.
UFO has been identified as abducting Malayalam airlines and an earlier one in Australia.
I dont have any "scientific" evidence but that's why it's called paranormal.
I've wondered if there is a poltergeist like entity that kidnaps children from their beds at night, or in the case of JB, kills them, and enters them through a bermuda like vortex. Their souls are with this poltergeist entity in another dimension.
In the case of JB this entity wrote the RN and staged the scene. In the case of Eloise she was abducted through the portal.
In this paranormal theory then the soul of JB and Eloise are alive in a sense and are together along with other abducted children.
there maybe children of other races and languages there to, but my search is limited to english sources and those 2 girls struck me as possible candidates.
my paranormal theory is that through the ages a poltergeist like entity abducts children from the beds at night in their own homes. this even serves as the basis for stories of trolls and the boogey man.
Eloise Worledge and Jonbenet are 2 recent victims of this entity. If i were a father of a blond beautiful white girl, under 10, i would not want to live in either the Ramsay's or Worledge's home, for that entity may return to claim another victim.
Eloise Worledge had a 3 year old brother at the time, and Jonbenet had Burke. so this entity does not seem to be attracted to boys at this time.
one prediction is that since eloise worledge was abducted 12 January 1976 and jonbenet dec 26 1996 then by 2016 in jan/dec another girl under 10, white blonde, will disappear at night or be murdered and another by 2036 and 2056.
perhaps like the intro, this entity attaches itself to teddy bears.
if i were a father i'd have a priest or wicca or taoist perform yearly exorcisms and have crosses and angels and buddha statutes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boogey_man
A bogeyman (also spelled bogieman, boogeyman, or boogie man, and pronounced /bʊɡimæn/ or /boʊɡimæn/)[1] is a mythical creature in many cultures used by adults or older children to frighten bad children into good behavior. This monster has no specific appearance, and conceptions about it can vary drastically from household to household within the same community; in many cases, he has no set appearance in the mind of an adult or child, but is simply a non-specific embodiment of terror. Parents may tell their children that if they misbehave, the bogeyman will get them. Bogeymen may target a specific mischief—for instance, a bogeyman that punishes children who suck their thumbs—or general misbehaviour, depending on what purpose needs serving. In some cases, the bogeyman is a nickname for the Devil.
Bogeyman tales vary by region. The bogeyman is usually a masculine entity but can be any gender or simply androgynous.
Analogies in other cultures
Bogeyman-like beings are nearly universal; common to folklore in many disparate countries.
Sack Man
Main article: Sack Man
In many countries, a bogeyman variant is portrayed as a man with a sack on his back who carries naughty children away. This is true for many Latin countries, such as Brazil, Portugal, Spain, and the countries of Spanish America, where it referred to as el "Hombre del costal", el "hombre del saco", or in Portuguese, o "homem do saco" (all of which mean "the sack/bag man"), or el roba-chicos, meaning child-stealer. Similar legends are also very common in Eastern Europe, as well as Haiti and some countries in Asia.
El Coco
Main article: Coco (folklore)
El Coco (also El Cuco and Cucuy, sometimes called El Bolo) is a monster common to many Spanish-speaking countries.
In Spain, parents will sing lullabies or tell rhymes to children, warning them that if they do not sleep, El Coco will come and get them. The rhyme originated in the 17th century has evolved over the years, but still retains its original meaning. Coconuts (Spanish: coco) received that name because their brownish hairy surface reminded Portuguese explorers of coco, a ghost with a pumpkin head. Latin America also has El Coco, although its folklore is usually quite different, commonly mixed with native beliefs, and, because of cultural contacts, sometimes more related to the bogeyman of the United States. However, the term El Coco is also used in Spanish-speaking Latin American countries, such as Bolivia, Colombia, Guatemala, Peru, Mexico, El Salvador, Honduras, and the Dominican Republic, although there it is more usually called El Cuco, as in Puerto Rico, Chile, Uruguay and Argentina. In Mexico and among Mexican-Americans, El Cucuy is portrayed as an evil monster that hides under children's bed at night and kidnaps or eats the child that does not obey his/her parents or go to sleep when it is time to do so. However, the Spanish American bogeyman does not resemble the shapeless or hairy monster of Spain: social sciences professor Manuel Medrano says popular legend describes El cucuy as a small humanoid with glowing red eyes that hides in closets or under the bed. 'Some lore has him as a kid who was the victim of violence... and now he’s alive, but he’s not,' Medrano said, citing Xavier Garza's 2004 book Creepy Creatures and other Cucuys."[7]
In Brazilian folklore, a similar character called Cuca is depicted as a female humanoid alligator. There's a famous lullaby sung by most parents to their children that says that the Cuca will come and get them if they do not sleep, just as in Spain. The Cuca is also a character of Monteiro Lobato's Sítio do Picapau Amarelo, a series of short novels written for children, which contain a large number of characters from Brazilian folklore.
Babau
For the creature in the Dungeons & Dragons game, see Babau (Dungeons & Dragons). For the Indonesian city, see Bau-Bau.
In the countries of the eastern Mediterranean, children who misbehave are threatened with a creature known as "babau" (or "baubau", "baobao", "bavbav" or similar). In Italy and Romania, the Babau (in Romania, Bau-bau) is also called l'uomo nero (Romanian: omul negru) or "black man". In Italy, he is portrayed as a tall man wearing a heavy black coat, with a black hood or hat which hides his face. Sometimes, parents will knock loudly under the table, pretending that someone is knocking at the door, and saying: "Here comes l'uomo nero! He must know that there's a child here who doesn't want to drink his soup!" L'uomo nero is not supposed to eat or harm children, just take them away to a mysterious and frightening place. A popular lullaby says that he would keep a child with him "for a whole year".[8] In Slovenia, the "Bavbav" is described as a formless spirit. In Greece and Cyprus, the equivalent of the Bogeyman is known as Baboulas (Greek: Μπαμπούλας). Typically, he is said to be hiding under the bed, although the details of his story is adapted by the parents in a variety of ways. In Egypt "al-Bu'bu'" (البعبع) is often depicted as a night creature that is dressed in black, who haunts children that misbehave.
Butzemann
In Germanic countries, the bogeyman is called the butzemann, busseman, buhman or boeman. In Germany, the bogeyman is known as the "Buhmann" or the Butzemann. The common German expression is "der schwarze Mann" (engl. the black man), which refers directly to some inhuman or rather paranormal creature, which carries children away and hides in the dark corners under the bed or in the closet. The figure is part of the children game "Wer hat Angst vorm schwarzen Mann" (Who is afraid of the boggie-man).
In Denmark, it is known as the busseman or Bøhman. It hides under the bed and grabs children who will not sleep. Like the English, it is also a slang term for nasal mucus. In Norway, he is referred to as the Busemann. In the Netherlands, the Boeman is portrayed as a creature that resembles a man, dressed completely black, with sharp claws and fangs. He hides under the bed or in the closet. The Bogeyman takes bad children or those that refuse to sleep and locks them in his basement for a period of time.
In the Pennsylvania Dutch dialect, used in those areas of Pennsylvania colonized by Swiss and Germanic peoples during the eighteenth century, "der Butzemann" is the term for a male scarecrow. A female scarecrow is a "Butzefrau".
Other examples
Afghanistan - Bala or Newanay Mama, which means "The Monster or Crazy person", is used to scare children when they don't want to sleep or when they don't want to take their medicine.
Albania - There are two similar creatures that are used to frighten children. In the South (Vlore area), there is Katallani, that means "the Catalan." This is a collective memory of the Catalan occupation many centuries ago, from South Italy; then in the whole country, there is Gogoli, that indeed means "the Mongol" and is a collective memory of the Golden horde.
Algeria- A monster made up of various animal parts called H'awouahoua. It has eyes that are blobs of flaming spit and a coat made of the clothes of the children it eats.
Azerbaijan - A bogeyman-like creature parents refer to make children behave is called khokhan ("xoxan").
Bahamas – "Small man" is the name given to a man who rides in a cart drawn by itself and picks up any child seen outside after sundown, the term "rollin' cart" was used to scare children who didn't behave. Anyone taken by the small man becomes a small person and has to ride on the back of his cart with him forever.
Belgium - A faceless bogeyman called "Oude Rode Ogen" (Old Red Eyes) was known throughout the Flanders region and said to originate in Mechelen. It is said to have been a cannibalistic shapeshifter that was able to change between human form to that of a black dog. It later became a children's story in the early 1900s called "The Nikker", known to devour young children that stayed up past their bedtime.
In Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Serbia and Macedonia, the Bogeyman is called Babaroga, baba meaning old woman and rogovi meaning horns, literally meaning old woman with horns. The details vary from one household to another. In one household, babaroga takes children, puts them in a sack and then, when it comes to its cave, eats them. In another household, it takes children and pulls them up through tiny holes in the ceiling.
Brazil and Portugal - A monster more akin to the Bogeyman is called Bicho Papão (Eating Beast) or Sarronco (Deep-Voiced Man). A notable difference between it and the homem do saco is that the latter is a daytime menace and "Bicho Papão" is a night-time menace.
Bulgaria- In some villages, people used to believe that a hairy, dark, ghost-like creature called a talasam (Ta-lah-SUMM) lived in the shadows of the barn or in the attic and came out at night to scare little children. In addition, there is a city-folklore creature called Torbalan (the Bag-man) who raids during the night kidnapping children that have misbehaved.
Congo - In the Lingala language, the Dongola Miso or "Creature with Scary Eyes" is used to discourage children from staying up beyond bedtime. It is also used to warn children or even adults about the potential danger in speaking to or dealing with strangers.
China - "Ou-wu" is usually described as a witch or a scary woman who kidnaps children who misbehave. It is popular among southern regions of China and places like Hong Kong. The origin of the term is a pronoun for "monster" and it is widely used as a synonym for "ugly" or "hideous" even until today.
Cyprus - In the Cypriot dialect, Bogeyman is called Kkullas (Κκουλλάς).
Egypt - The "Abu Rigl Maslukha" (ابو رجل مسلوخة), which translates to the "Man With Burnt/Skinned Leg". It is a very scary story that parents tell their children when they misbehave. The "Abu Rigl Maslukha" is a monster that got burnt when he was a child because he did not listen to his parents. He grabs naughty children to cook and eat them.
Finland - The equivalent of the Bogeyman in Finland is mörkö. The most famous usage of the word these days takes place in Moomin-stories (originally written in Swedish) in which mörkö (the Groke) is a frightening, dark blue, big, ghost-looking creature.
France - The French equivalent of the Bogeyman is le croque-mitaine ("the mitten-biter" or rather "the hand-cruncher", mitaine means mitt in an informal way).[9]
Georgia - In addition to a "Bag Man" much similar to its namesakes from other cultures, in Georgia, a fictional creature called "Bua" is sometimes used by parents to (lightly) scare little children (up to preschool age) when misbehaving; e.g., "if you don't eat well now, Bua will come", or "do you hear Bua knocking? It asks why you don't want to go to bed". It's usually not specified what Bua looks like or what it does to children; Nevertheless, Bua can "bite you", or "take you away". It also can "steal" something: "You can't have more candys now — Bua took it". There may be an etymological link to "bu" — Georgian word for owl, which makes night sounds scary for children.
Germany - The Bogeyman is known as Der schwarze Mann (the black man). "Schwarz" does not refer to the colour of his skin (most Germans had never met a real black person during the time these legends developed) but to his preference for hiding in dark places, like the closet, under the bed of children or in forests at night. There is also an active game for little children which is called Wer hat Angst vorm schwarzen Mann? (Who is afraid of the black man?) or an old traditional folk song Es tanzt ein Bi-Ba-Butzemann in unserm Haus herum (A Bi-Ba-Bogeyman dances around in our house) and the grossmann.
Guyana- In Guyana, the "Bogeyman" is known as a "Jumbi". It is a popular belief that he only lives in the dark. It is said that he lives in the closet and under the bed. It is used to scare children to eat their food, so they can defend themselves against him. "Jumbies" eat little boys and girls, starting with the leg, to the brains.
Haiti - In Haiti, there is a popular belief that a tall man, with legs two floors high, walks around the towns at midnight to catch and eat the people that stay outside. He is called Mètminwi, which seems to be a contraction of mèt (from French "maître" English "master" and minwi from French "minuit" englsh "midnight", hence meaning the "master of midnight").
Tonton Macoute or Uncle gunnysack was a Haitian bogeyman who would snare misbehaving children and eat them for breakfast. The MVSN, a secret police force of Haiti, used this myth as a tool for control as many Tonton Macoutes were Voodoo adherents.
Papa Doc was an alter-ego of Former Haitian President Francois Duvalier. He parlayed Haitian mythology and presented himself as Baron Samedi the Voodoo Loa of Death. His fashion was designed to enforce the mystique of his personality cult as he dressed like Baron Samdi and hid his eyes with sunglasses.
Hejaz, Saudi Arabia - أمنا الغولة والدوجيرة or "Dojairah and Umna al Ghola", which means "Our mother the Monster", is used to scare children when they misbehave or walk alone outside.
Hungary - The Hungarian equivalent of the Bogeyman is the Mumus, which is a monster-like creature, and the Zsákos Ember, a man with a sack, and this is the literal meaning of his name. A third creature is the Rézfaszú bagoly ("Copperpenis Owl"), a giant owl with a copper penis.[10]
Iceland - The Icelandic equivalent of the Bogeyman is Grýla, a female troll who would take misbehaving children and eat them during Christmas Eve. However, as the story goes, she has been dead for some time. She is also the mother of the Yule Lads, the Icelandic equivalent of Santa Claus.
India - In India, the entity is known by different names.
Bihar Parents use the demon name Bhakolwa for the same purpose.
South India -In Karnataka, the demon "Goggayya"(roughly meaning 'terrible man') can be treated as counterpart of Bogeyman. In the state of Tamil Nadu, children are often mock-threatened with the Rettai Kannan (the two-eyed one) or Poochaandi (பூச்சாண்டி), a monster or fearsome man that children are sometimes threatened with if they are not obedient or refuse to eat. In the state of Andhra Pradesh, the equivalent of bogeyman is Boochodu. In central Kerala, Bogeyman is referred to as 'Kokkachi' who will 'take away' children for disobeying their parents or misbehave in any manner. Children are then at freedom to conjure up what terrible things might happen to them, once taken away by Kokkachi. In South Kerala, it is called 'Oochandi'. Among Konkani speaking people of the Western Coast of India, 'Gongo' is the Bogeyman equivalent.
Among Marathi language speaking people (predominantly of Maharashtra), parents threaten the misbehaving children with a male ghost called 'Buva' (बुवा). In general, the 'Buva' is supposed to kidnap children when they misbehave or do not sleep. A lot of times, the name 'Bagul Buva' is also used.
Assamese parents ask children to go to sleep otherwise Kaan khowa would eat their ears.
Indonesia - In Indonesia, Wewe Gombel is a ghost that kidnaps children mistreated by their parents. She keeps the children in her nest atop an Arenga pinnata palm tree and does not harm them. She takes care of the children as a grandmother until the parents become aware of what they had done. If the parents decide to mend their ways and truly want their children back, Wewe Gombel will return them unharmed. This ghost is named Wewe Gombel because it originated in and event that took place in Bukit Gombel, Semarang.[11]
Iran - In Persian culture, children who misbehave may be told by their parents to be afraid of lulu (لولو) who eats up the naughty children. Lulu is usually called lulu-khorkhore (bogeyman who eats everything up). The threat is generally used to make small children eat their meals.
Iraq's ancient folklore has the saalua, a half-witch half-demon ghoul that "is used by parents to scare naughty children". She is briefly mentioned in a tale of the 1001 Nights, and is known in some other Gulf countries as well.[12]
Italy - In Italy, "L'uomo nero" (meaning 'the black man') is a demon that can appear as a black man or black ghost without legs, often used by adults for scaring their children when they don't want to sleep. In different places of the country, it's known also as "babau".[13][better source needed][14]
Japan - Namahage are demons that warn children not to be lazy or cry, during the Namahage Sedo Matsuri, or "Demon Mask Festival", when villagers don demon masks and pretend to be these spirits.[15]
Korea - Dokebi (도깨비) is understood as a monster that appears to get misbehaving children. Other variations include mangtae younggam (망태 영감) an oldman (younggam) who carries a mesh sack (mahngtae) to put his kidnapped children in. In some regions, mangtae younggam is replaced by mangtae halmum (망태 할멈), an old woman with a mesh sack.
Myanmar - Children are threatened with Pashu Gaung Phyat (ပသျှူးခေါင်းဖြတ်), meaning Malayu Headhunter. In Burmese, Malays were called "Pashu", which may come from Bajau or Bugis. Even Peninsular Malaysia was called Pashu Peninsula. It is common knowledge that some ethnic groups in Eastern Malaysia, Iban and Dayak were notorious headhunters. Although the Wa tribe of Burma was famous previously until the 1970s, ferocious headhunters,[16] it is a mystery why Burmese use the faraway Pashus as bogeymen.
Plaque at Itum Bahal, Kathmandu showing Gurumapa.
Nepal - In Nepali, a popular bogeyman character is the 'hau-guji'. Among the Newars, the 'Gurumapa' is a mythological ape-like creature who was supposed to enjoy devouring children. Itum Bahal of inner Kathmandu and Tinkhya open space in front of Bhadrakali temple in the centre of Kathmandu are associated with the fable of Gurumapa.[17]
Pakistan - A bogeyman-like creature parents refer to make children behave is called Bhoot or Jin Baba, which mean ghost and Djinn respectively.
Philippines - Pugot (only in most Ilocano regions), Sipay, Mamu and Mumu. In Kapampangan culture it is known as the Mánguang Anak or the Child-Snatcher.
Quebec - in this French-speaking province of Canada, the Bonhomme Sept-Heures (7 o'clock man) is said to visit houses around 7 o'clock to take misbehaving children who will not go to bed back to his cave where he feasts on them.
Russia - Children are warned that Babayka will come for them at nights if they behave badly.
Serbia - Bauk is an animal-like mythical creature in Serbian mythology. Bauk is described as hiding in dark places, holes or abandoned houses, waiting to grab, carry away and devour its victim; but it can be scared away by light and noise. It has clumsy gait (bauljanje), and its onomatopoeia is bau (Serbian pronunciation: [bau]).
Singapore - The locals have a similar reference to the Bogeyman, typically told to young children as "Ah Bu Neh Neh", or in some cases, "Matah", catching them when they are guilty of naughty acts. Although "Matah" actually stands for "Mata-Mata" in Malay, which means a spy or spies but is generally used by the locals as a nickname for the police.
Spain- El ogro (the Spanish word for ogre) is a shapeless figure, sometimes a hairy monster, that hides in closets or under beds and eats children that misbehave when they are told to go to bed.
Sri Lanka- Among the Sinhalese people, the Gonibilla (Sinhala, translates roughly to 'sack-kidnapper') is a figure that is described as carrying away unruly children in a sack, day or night.
Sweden - in Sweden, the Bogeyman is sometimes referred to as Monstret under sängen, which essentially means "the monster under the bed".
Switzerland - in Switzerland, the Bogeyman is called Böllima or Böögg (pron.ˈbøk) and has an important role in the springtime ceremonies. The figure is the symbol of winter and death, so in the Sechseläuten ceremony in the City of Zürich, where a figure of the Böögg is burnt. In Southern Switzerland, people have the same traditions as in Italy.
Trinidad and Tobago - Most Trinbagonians (rural demographic mostly) refer to folklore to scare disobedient children. The most common word that is used is Jumbie. Some "jumbies" are the Soucouyant, Lagahoo, La Diabless, Papa Bois, etc. "Bogeyman" is also used in the same context as its origin but by mostly urbanised citizens, and it can also can be called "The Babooman".
Turkey - Gulyabani is a gigantic, strange creature that frightens children and adults alike.
United Arab Emirates Children were scared with (Om Al- Khadar wa Alleef) (أم الخضر واللّيف) which means (Mother of green and leef "bark"), which takes the appearance of a tall woman with very long hair that flows in the wind, and this name is used in the UAE and some neighboring countries like Bahrain, this Mythical creature is usually used by parents to make their children stay inside after sun set and go to sleep (scaring them with her) she was used depending on what was demanded usually after sunset/dark, This name was simply inspired by (the Palm tree) because of the scary sounds and noises that come out of it when the wind blows, also because it's high and it's leaves are so long that it resembles a woman.
United States - The Jersey Devil, which originated in the New Jersey Pine Barrens, is believed by many to be an old time Bogeyman created by residents to scare off travelers from coming into the area. Bloody Bones, also known as Rawhead or Tommy Rawhead, is a boogeyman of the U.S. South.[18] Bloody Bones tales originated in Britain.[19] Bogeyman may be called "Boogerman" or "Boogermonster" in rural areas of the American South, and was most often used to keep young children from playing outside past dark, or wandering off in the forest. During the Corn Festival, young Cherokee males wearing caricature masks would make fun of politicians, frighten children into being good, and moreover shake their masks at young women and chase them around. Male participants in this Booger Dance were referred to as the Booger Man.[20] In some Midwestern states of the United States, the bogeyman scratches at the window. In the Pacific Northwest, he may manifest in "green fog". In other places, he hides or appears from under the bed or in the closet and tickles children when they go to sleep at night, while in others, he is a tall figure in a black hooded cloak who puts children in a sack. It is said that a wart can be transmitted to someone by the bogeyman.[21]
Mid West- In the heartland of America, there is an old evil spector who comes out of the cornfields and takes the souls of people who show fear and punish the bad children with the help from his minions. He is called Korn Stalker. It is said that he is the birth of fear, the Devil's role model, the Midwest Boogeyman.
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All dead people are in the same place right now.
I was once was intrigued by the Bermuda like vortex you speak of, until I realized arthurs of books was pulling my leg. That area of Bermuda is one of the most trafficked areas in the world , makes sense that there would be a higher number of insidences . Arthurs will include mystery insidences outside that area to farther there goal.
If you take the 1st mystery that started all that bull, and thats the 5 aircraft that disappeared in 1945-- you will find that there was a U.S Air and Navy investigation hearing in Washington in which radio operators testified all along the East coast of the U.S. and the last one being a radio operator in Greenland which testified that one by one they reported being out of fuel and going down.
The Malayalam 780 you speak of will be found-- and you will see the UFOs had nothing to do with it. The Bermuda triangle people didn't have the tracking in those days that they do now. Mysteries are just that until solved ,like the JBR case-- a mystery.
This is what I have to say about Bigfoot-- Harry and the Hendersons I watched 3 times.
I was looking for a certain thread here and see that you have quit a number of treads which makes it hard to navigate, some with the odd reply and others with none- you have a blog -- I was wondering if there was someway to index some of those threads and consolidate them, Thats probable to much to ask just for little old me.
I was once was intrigued by the Bermuda like vortex you speak of, until I realized arthurs of books was pulling my leg. That area of Bermuda is one of the most trafficked areas in the world , makes sense that there would be a higher number of insidences . Arthurs will include mystery insidences outside that area to farther there goal.
If you take the 1st mystery that started all that bull, and thats the 5 aircraft that disappeared in 1945-- you will find that there was a U.S Air and Navy investigation hearing in Washington in which radio operators testified all along the East coast of the U.S. and the last one being a radio operator in Greenland which testified that one by one they reported being out of fuel and going down.
The Malayalam 780 you speak of will be found-- and you will see the UFOs had nothing to do with it. The Bermuda triangle people didn't have the tracking in those days that they do now. Mysteries are just that until solved ,like the JBR case-- a mystery.
This is what I have to say about Bigfoot-- Harry and the Hendersons I watched 3 times.
I was looking for a certain thread here and see that you have quit a number of treads which makes it hard to navigate, some with the odd reply and others with none- you have a blog -- I was wondering if there was someway to index some of those threads and consolidate them, Thats probable to much to ask just for little old me.
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well i'm just putting this idea out there as food for thought.
missing
airplanes - ufo or vortex
people in forests - bigfoot or vortex
girls in their bedrooms - poltergeist or aliens
i do wonder if a little girl like jonbenet or eloise turned missing while family slept in 1956 1936 and 1916 with no explanation
missing
airplanes - ufo or vortex
people in forests - bigfoot or vortex
girls in their bedrooms - poltergeist or aliens
i do wonder if a little girl like jonbenet or eloise turned missing while family slept in 1956 1936 and 1916 with no explanation
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Its very likely there is one or more somewhere in the world every year.
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yk robert wrote:Its very likely there is one or more somewhere in the world every year.
perhaps
what other cases involve a wf between 4-10 who was abducted and/or killed in her own bed while her parents slept and therefore did not know?
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Chloe Campbell -- Just 3 weeks or so ago, in your backyard
It was a mystery for 48hrs-- Mystery partly solved now ,as she was returned alive. But think how close that case could have remained a mystery, There is always a human element to these , no UFOs , no vortex's , no set time of year or year. I guess you could say the prep was a boogie man.
It was a mystery for 48hrs-- Mystery partly solved now ,as she was returned alive. But think how close that case could have remained a mystery, There is always a human element to these , no UFOs , no vortex's , no set time of year or year. I guess you could say the prep was a boogie man.
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yk robert wrote:Chloe Campbell -- Just 3 weeks or so ago, in your backyard
It was a mystery for 48hrs-- Mystery partly solved now ,as she was returned alive. But think how close that case could have remained a mystery, There is always a human element to these , no UFOs , no vortex's , no set time of year or year. I guess you could say the prep was a boogie man.
only in australia hahahaha
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I wonder sometimes if its easier for me to quit smoking than to dispel mysteries caused by unknown forces --
Like Australia , Here in the North of Canada a lot of aircraft are used-- A few have gone missing over the years- These are small aircraft-- about 5 years ago one was found after being lost for 40 years-- Bones of the pilot still in the seat-- As well as a mystery where there is murder , I also have been onto investigating an aircraft here that disappeared in 1961-- 52 years ago-- The details I have look promising . For today we have Google Earth ,and I have found the image of a plane under water. not far out of town. This will make National news, right now the lake is covered with ice- but will be ice free in about 3 weeks-- its going to be a job to prove its there, but hopefully i can put together enough resources to do it. If anything becomes of it I will post it here.
Like Australia , Here in the North of Canada a lot of aircraft are used-- A few have gone missing over the years- These are small aircraft-- about 5 years ago one was found after being lost for 40 years-- Bones of the pilot still in the seat-- As well as a mystery where there is murder , I also have been onto investigating an aircraft here that disappeared in 1961-- 52 years ago-- The details I have look promising . For today we have Google Earth ,and I have found the image of a plane under water. not far out of town. This will make National news, right now the lake is covered with ice- but will be ice free in about 3 weeks-- its going to be a job to prove its there, but hopefully i can put together enough resources to do it. If anything becomes of it I will post it here.
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UFO bigfoot poltergeists vortex all gives me that warm and fuzzy feeling.
who abducted Chloe Campbell ?
who abducted Chloe Campbell ?
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I guy named Eden Kane is being detained at the moment- and will face charges soon. Rex bought the case to my attention . and we followed it as it was played out-- I was wrong in guessing who did it. The Thread is here ,just look for it on the Off-topic thread-- Better yet go to WS a link is also in some of the posts on that off-topic thread
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ok. a guy named dave paulides wrote 411
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This book involves clusters of disappearances in the western United States that have happened under highly unusual circumstances. There is a second book forthcoming that documents clusters in the eastern United States.
The Author of this book is a former law enforcement Officer. Law enforcement Officers are trained in observation, investigation, being objective, and interviewing techniques, among other things. Documentation presented is from freedom of information, Police reports, newspaper accounts, interviews, and other sources. These are well documented disappearances, not hearsay.
This is an important book for a number of reasons. The first and foremost is making the general Public aware that these unusual disappearances are happening. If you don't know about something it is hard to take precautions. It is also important, because as the Author states, techniques for search and rescue operations might need to be different in certain circumstances.
I won't go into any individual stories from the book, it is better to read these in the Author's own words. I will say that most people will find the context of these disappearances highly disturbing. The clusters documented involve Adults and Children. In some of the instances, Children were found, however where they were found was inexplicable in many cases. In many cases there was absolutely no trace of the person, in others remains were found. The places remains were found were highly unusual, and the conditions of the remains themselves were very troubling. These people who have disappeared are someone's loved ones, the book is very respectful of this. I cannot fathom the heartbreak and uncertainty the Families must feel.
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he claims bigfoot is stalking and killing people in the remote wilderness.
others claim UFO abducting persons or airplanes
i want to complete this list
my claim is a pedophile poltergeist or alien is abducting children from their homes
http://www.amazon.com/Missing-411--Eastern-United-States/dp/1468012622/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1399150880&sr=8-3&keywords=411
(www.canammissing.com) People have been disappearing under mysterious circumstances for centuries. During the last 150 years the media has covered many of these cases and has attempted to put a rational spin on a very unusual event. After 3+ years and 7000 hours of intensive research there is a new paradigm being presented on people missing in the wilds of North America. “Missing 411” identifies 28 clusters of missing people who have vanished in remote areas of the continent. The finding is a troubling fact questioning why and how these people have disappeared. Some of the victims are found and tell a very interesting and mind bending story of their experience, others are never found, a fact that confounds searchers and law enforcement. There are many children that have disappeared under highly unusual circumstances. After weeks of searching and failing to find any evidence of the child being in a remote location, many parents and law enforcement draw the conclusion that the victim was kidnapped, yes, taken by someone lurking in remote areas of our national parks, forests, farms and even ranches. There are two editions of this research, “Missing 411-Eastern United States” and “Missing 411-Western United States.” The eastern United States copy has a list of every person who is listed in each book as well as a final conclusion to the investigation. You will be shocked by the lack of interest and documentation that many of our governmental bodies have committed to missing people. After reading these books you will never look at our wildlands the same. Chapters; 1.Introduction 1A. Clusters 1B. Unique Factors in Disappearances 2. Missing People 3. Unique Groups of Missing People 3A. Central Ontario 3B. Berry Pickers 3C. Sheepherders 3D. Farmers 4. Midwest United States 4A. Minnesota 4B. Wisconsin 4C. Michigan 4D. Iowa 4E. Illinois 4F. Missouri 4G. Oklahoma/Arkansas 5. Southern States 5A. Georgia/Alabama 6. Appalachians 6A. Great Smoky Mountains 6B. Ohio 6C. Pennsylvania 6D. West Virginia 6E. Kentucky 7. Northeastern United States 7A. New England 7B. Vermont 7C. New Jersey 8. Lists 8A. Master List of Children Under 10 Years 8B. Analysis 8C. Decade Breakdown of All Missing 9. Conclusions 9A. Gaps in Time 9B. Danger in the Woods 9C. Screams and Yells 9D. Bow Hunters 9E. National Park Service 9F. The Interview 9G. DOI Recommendations 9H. FBI Involvement 9I. Next Steps 10. Index "Major news organizations do a deplorable job of covering major stories and issues which are deemed too unusual or too far outside the box. Chances are, they will find a way to trivialize or ignore the disturbing evidence accumulated by David Paulides, a former law man turned investigative journalist. The paper trail uncovered by Paulides through sheer doggedness is impressive, the evidence indisputable. People are vanishing without a trace from our national parks and forests, yet government agencies are saying nothing. At a minimum, this story deserves space on the front page of every newspaper in the country, and it warrants a formal high level inquiry by the federal agencies whose files leave little doubt that something very strange is unfolding in our wilderness." George Knapp, Host, Coast to Coast AM
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This is a must read.
By LET'S GO BOLTS on March 31, 2012
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This book involves clusters of disappearances in the western United States that have happened under highly unusual circumstances. There is a second book forthcoming that documents clusters in the eastern United States.
The Author of this book is a former law enforcement Officer. Law enforcement Officers are trained in observation, investigation, being objective, and interviewing techniques, among other things. Documentation presented is from freedom of information, Police reports, newspaper accounts, interviews, and other sources. These are well documented disappearances, not hearsay.
This is an important book for a number of reasons. The first and foremost is making the general Public aware that these unusual disappearances are happening. If you don't know about something it is hard to take precautions. It is also important, because as the Author states, techniques for search and rescue operations might need to be different in certain circumstances.
I won't go into any individual stories from the book, it is better to read these in the Author's own words. I will say that most people will find the context of these disappearances highly disturbing. The clusters documented involve Adults and Children. In some of the instances, Children were found, however where they were found was inexplicable in many cases. In many cases there was absolutely no trace of the person, in others remains were found. The places remains were found were highly unusual, and the conditions of the remains themselves were very troubling. These people who have disappeared are someone's loved ones, the book is very respectful of this. I cannot fathom the heartbreak and uncertainty the Families must feel.
^
he claims bigfoot is stalking and killing people in the remote wilderness.
others claim UFO abducting persons or airplanes
i want to complete this list
my claim is a pedophile poltergeist or alien is abducting children from their homes
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