8-year-old April Tinsley and JonBenet Ramsey and "evidence"

Mon Jul 16, 2018

speak of the devil

i just watched On the case with Paula Zahn

it featured, 8-year-old April Tinsley and it did not state the case was solved. it has since been solved thanks to DNA

here are pics, which i'm posting under fair use hopefully ID doesn't get too mad about copyright

before i do, let's examine these RDI claims



over at websleuths posters have claimed

detective pinkie wrote:
Hold yourself to the same standards - explain why an intruder would leave a body and a note, simply and believably

tawny wrote:
the fail in logic is astounding.

This is an example of NO IDI explanation. Why would an intruder hide her body? Seriously, please answer that for me. Why would an intruder hide her body rather than take her with them and dump her, or leave her where she was? Did an intruder seriously believe she would NEVER EVER be found inside the house?

Serious question: Why would an intruder hide her body in a dark room in a basement?

If he wanted to ensure it was found, why hide it? If he had to bug out, not taking the kidnapped-turned-murdered with him, why did he leave the note?

Delay discovery to what end? If he were bugging out, why would he care when, where, and how she's found?

It makes zero logical sense.

ukguy wrote:
Mama2JML,
Why does an intruder need to bother with a RN at all, all that sitting around authoring a RN, increases the risk of being caught.

No JonBenet in the house tells its own story, when followed up with a ransom phone call, no RN is required.

There is no IDI explanation forthcoming as to why the said intruder did not remove JonBenet from the house, which is just as inconsistent as any staged kidnapping leaving JonBenet in the house!

Intruder plan of action: Enter Ramsey household remove JonBenet, dead or alive, relocate to the boot of awaiting car, then simply drive away. Next day phone ransom demands. Total time to execute less than fifteen minutes!

nimyat of reddit wrote:
There is absolutely 0 reason to start to write a draft ransom note and then write the real thing and make it that ridiculously long.

If it was a premeditated kidnapping, ('hid in the house' theory) why the fuck wouldn't you bring a ransome note with you and why the hell would you start to draft one and then write one on paper found in the house.

If it was a burglary turned kidnapping, why would you start to draft a ransom note, and then write the real thing 4 pages long? You would scribble something like "I've taken your daughter, dont contact police, deposit money at this location at this time if you want to see her again." A panicked burglar does not sit and start writing about his 'organisation'.

A lot of people get bogged down in the details of the case, because it is a fascinating one and it is very interesting, but the ransom note is the most ridiculous thing ever and was totally written by one of the family in my opinion. They also completely over thought it - mentioning the fathers business, his bonus, writing 4 pages worth etc.

There's no way the family wasn't involved. As for which one did it, that is what is hard to prove.

docg makes a similar claim

docg wrote:

Questions

An intruder intending to express his anger or disdain for the Ramseys would have had no reason to write a meaningless ransom note. A kidnapper would not have left both the note and the body. If the parents were involved in this together, as so many assume, such a note might serve to throw the police off the track, but only if the body were found, days later, in some remote area. Or never found. With the body hidden in the house, where it is sure to be discovered, the note only creates problems for the Ramseys, the only ones who could "logically" have written it. If they were not planning on getting the body out of the house before the police came, then why would they write an obviously phony note?

Also, why was the note hand printed? Why not print it via computer? Or paste words together from newspapers? If the parents, or anyone at all close to the family, wrote it, they would be risking exposure for sure.

Answers

No intruder would have had anything to gain by writing the ransom note. No intruder would have any reason to write it. A kidnapper would have taken the child (or her body) with him. If something had gone wrong with his plan, he would have had no reason to leave a possibly incriminating note. Someone intending to frame John or Patsy would not have written the note in his own hand, as that would be evidence of an intruder. The conclusion is simple: there was no kidnapper. There was no intruder. The note must have been written by someone on the inside -- and it does indeed read like a staged kidnapping attempt.

tawny wrote:
the fail in logic is astounding.

This is an example of NO IDI explanation. Why would an intruder hide her body? Seriously, please answer that for me. Why would an intruder hide her body rather than take her with them and dump her, or leave her where she was? Did an intruder seriously believe she would NEVER EVER be found inside the house?

Serious question: Why would an intruder hide her body in a dark room in a basement?

the IDI explanation is that he wanted to.

Serious question: Why would an intruder hide her body in a dark room in a basement?

is there any scientific validity to these RDI claims?

what happened in 8-year-old April Tinsley is a complete and total refutation of these RDI claims

refutation see below










these pictures were all pulled from the documentary

i originally snapped 60 photos, but this host image only lets me load 3 at a time, so i gave up

i encourage anyone interested in JonBenet Ramsey to watch this

take for example,

docg makes a similar claim

docg wrote:

Questions

An intruder intending to express his anger or disdain for the Ramseys would have had no reason to write a meaningless ransom note. A kidnapper would not have left both the note and the body. If the parents were involved in this together, as so many assume, such a note might serve to throw the police off the track, but only if the body were found, days later, in some remote area. Or never found. With the body hidden in the house, where it is sure to be discovered, the note only creates problems for the Ramseys, the only ones who could "logically" have written it. If they were not planning on getting the body out of the house before the police came, then why would they write an obviously phony note?

Also, why was the note hand printed? Why not print it via computer? Or paste words together from newspapers? If the parents, or anyone at all close to the family, wrote it, they would be risking exposure for sure.

Answers

No intruder would have had anything to gain by writing the ransom note. No intruder would have any reason to write it. A kidnapper would have taken the child (or her body) with him. If something had gone wrong with his plan, he would have had no reason to leave a possibly incriminating note. Someone intending to frame John or Patsy would not have written the note in his own hand, as that would be evidence of an intruder. The conclusion is simple: there was no kidnapper. There was no intruder. The note must have been written by someone on the inside -- and it does indeed read like a staged kidnapping attempt.

8-year-old April Tinsley killer dumped her body by the road where it was discovered within 48 hours.

it had semen on it.

2 years later they found handwritten document then 14 years later, in 2004, the perp left handwritten messages, for of them, all starting with hi honey, AND photos of himself, photos of his lower extremities and penis AND condoms with semen, which DNA match found on April

not only could this evidence lead back to the killer but in July 2018 it actually did.

for RDI no-nothings who claim there's no evidence of an intruder,

April Tinsley's case, the one in Washington, and Golden state was all solved using familial DNA, they took DNA and found likely relatives of the killer

imagine that the DNA found on Jonbenet, which did not match her family, they perform familial geneological DNA analysis, the same DNA analysis as in April Tinsley's case, Golden State killer, and others, and identify relatives of the DNA found on Jonbenet

through these they construct a family tree, take DNA and identify the actual DNA of the person who was living in Boulder Colorado at the time. They search his house and find tape, ligature and handwriting identical to what was found in the crime scene

is any of this evidence that this person identified through FAMILIAL genological DNA search, is Jonbenet's killer?

for me the second point is,

if i had been born a girl, would i be abducted raped and murdered like 8 year old April Tinsley?

she was walking home from playground and she was abducted.

she had met a friend named nicole and both went to the playground, and April walked home.

reminds me of others from the Beaumont children to OCCK victims to Siobhan McGuiness

but she was abducted in broad daylight. there was 1 eyewitness who saw April enter a blue truck.

watching this, it's extremely dangerous and unsafe to have little girls by themselves, cause of all the predators who will snatch them off the street

her killer was caught, but not mentioned in this documentary. he admits he did it for sexual reasons.

this crime refutes what RDI claims what an intruder would or would not do.

April's killer left several handwritten taunting messages AND toys AND photos of himself AND semen filled used condoms

the Jonbenet Ramsey murder i think is similar to 8-year-old April Tinsley and Mr. Cruel's and Golden State

a predator saw Jonbenet like April Tinsley's killer, then like Mr. Cruel and Golden state killer, entered her home to molest Jonbenet and fulfill his fantasies

but yeah watching this documentary

as a boy i also walked home from the playground unattended. i entered forests and fields unattended. i never not once thought i was unsafe. i had no idea of predators out there who would snatch me.

i walked to the park by myself.

how many times a child predator saw me as a boy and wanted to abduct and murder me?

how many other times the predator saw i was a boy and ignored me as he was looking for a girl?

if i could re-live childhood again knowing what i now know about april tinsley and siobhan mcguiness and the beaumont children, and esp if i were to live it as a girl, i'm probably only going to have a parent or trusted escort, or just stay in my home.

lots of child snatching home invading child predators out there.

I really hope the DNA found in the JonBenet case would be checked against DNA in the genealogical sites. You never know if they get a hit on family members of the killer of JonBenet. It identified the GSK and got him arrested.