Sunday school with Redpill: A&E god or the girl Dan vs Zach

Sun May 27, 2018

time for  Sunday school with Redpill:

today we are going to visit A&E god or the girl


way back in spring of 2006 i had cable tv and A&E and i only saw once

the reality tv show god or the girl

flash forward in 2018 i had recollection of watching it, i scoured the internet but found nothing.

i visited my local library and they were able to loan me a copy of the disks

so in spring 2018 some 12 years after spring of 2006

i re-watched A&E god or the girl

one scene i'm sharing here is zach vs dan debate










zach looks to me like the t-1000



better watch out for his liquid metal weapons

dan is the catholic with green shirt and brown curly hair

he was passing out come to a catholic meeting and one person who received it is zach the other guy

zach was telling dan that roman catholicism is false

catholicism is in error.

catholic teachings contradict the teachings of the bible and catholic church teaches error.

he quotes several verses and even quotes from memory how catholics pray to mother mary but that the bible timothy or whatever said jesus is the source of salvation

as i type this millions of irish women voted to legalize abortion in ireland and rejected the bible, god jesus on abortion, and sided with satan and the church of satan that abortion is a woman's right just yesterday

dan called zach a machine a real fundamentalist

dan said something about bible and zach replied no we are in a biblical debate.

catholicism contradicts the literal truth of the bible.

dam sad he never met someone like zach which i find amsuing. my bible study teachers of my youth group were educated at moody bible institute and dallas theological seminary and hold views similar to zach and even said the pope is the antichrist

they also told me jehovah witness mormons christian scientists seven day adventists swedenborg new church unification unitarian, proabortion churches are all "cults" and had copies of walter martin's the kingdom of the cults

in the end zach and dan parted ways

the way zach debated dan is by calling up from memory catholic positions then refuting them by quoting chapter and verse from scripture.

i agree with dan zach is something of a "machine" if that's the right word.

yesterday ireland rejected both fundamentalist and catholic teachings on abortion in favor of a woman's right to choose, and earlier ireland ratified by popular vote gay marriage, again rejecting bible's teaching that homosexuality is a sin

gay activists basically say that the bible's verses which clearly condemn homosexuality are "outdated" and have no application to today's society.

personally i don't know why a christian gay activist doesn't simply abandon christianity rather than come to all kinds of contorted reasoning.

i agree on some of zach's claims that he believes the bible is the literal inerrant actual word of god, the words of the bible is the actual words of god and that the plain meaning is the actual meaning would lead to some conclusions such as rejecting catholic doctrines about mary

but i regard the bible itself to be bs written by primitive humans, not god, and i've never seen a miracle.

imagine for example, either dan or zach prays and one of them is able to create miracles and the other one does not.

this actually is in the bible

1 Kings, in chapter 18

[16] So Obadiah went to meet Ahab and told him, and Ahab went to meet Elijah. [17] When he saw Elijah, he said to him, "Is that you, you troubler of Israel?"

[18] "I have not made trouble for Israel," Elijah replied. "But you and your father's family have. You have abandoned the LORD's commands and have followed the Baals. [19] Now summon the people from all over Israel to meet me on Mount Carmel. And bring the four hundred and fifty prophets of Baal and the four hundred prophets of Asherah, who eat at Jezebel's table." [20] So Ahab sent word throughout all Israel and assembled the prophets on Mount Carmel. [21] Elijah went before the people and said, "How long will you waver between two opinions? If the LORD is God, follow him; but if Baal is God, follow him."

[22] Then Elijah said to them, "I am the only one of the LORD's prophets left, but Baal has four hundred and fifty prophets. [23] Get two bulls for us. Let them choose one for themselves, and let them cut it into pieces and put it on the wood but not set fire to it. I will prepare the other bull and put it on the wood but not set fire to it. [24] Then you call on the name of your god, and I will call on the name of the LORD. The god who answers by fire�he is God."

Then all the people said, "What you say is good."

[25] Elijah said to the prophets of Baal, "Choose one of the bulls and prepare it first, since there are so many of you. Call on the name of your god, but do not light the fire." [26] So they took the bull given them and prepared it.

Then they called on the name of Baal from morning till noon. "O Baal, answer us!" they shouted. But there was no response; no one answered. And they danced around the altar they had made.

[27] At noon Elijah began to taunt them. "Shout louder!" he said. "Surely he is a god! Perhaps he is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened." [28] So they shouted louder and slashed themselves with swords and spears, as was their custom, until their blood flowed. [29] Midday passed, and they continued their frantic prophesying until the time for the evening sacrifice. But there was no response, no one answered, no one paid attention.

[30] Then Elijah said to all the people, "Come here to me." They came to him, and he repaired the altar of the LORD, which was in ruins. [31] Elijah took twelve stones, one for each of the tribes descended from Jacob, to whom the word of the LORD had come, saying, "Your name shall be Israel." [32] With the stones he built an altar in the name of the LORD, and he dug a trench around it large enough to hold two seahs [a] of seed. [33] He arranged the wood, cut the bull into pieces and laid it on the wood. Then he said to them, "Fill four large jars with water and pour it on the offering and on the wood."

[34] "Do it again," he said, and they did it again.

"Do it a third time," he ordered, and they did it the third time. [35] The water ran down around the altar and even filled the trench.

[36] At the time of sacrifice, the prophet Elijah stepped forward and prayed: "O LORD, God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, let it be known today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant and have done all these things at your command. [37] Answer me, O LORD, answer me, so these people will know that you, O LORD, are God, and that you are turning their hearts back again."

[38] Then the fire of the LORD fell and burned up the sacrifice, the wood, the stones and the soil, and also licked up the water in the trench.

[39] When all the people saw this, they fell prostrate and cried, "The LORD -he is God! The LORD -he is God!"

[40] Then Elijah commanded them, "Seize the prophets of Baal. Don't let anyone get away!" They seized them, and Elijah had them brought down to the Kishon Valley and slaughtered there.

this passage goes against testing god both in the torah and in jesus of the gospels

here elijah is putting god to the test

do you think if jews muslism catholics fundamentalists were put to a test like this god would perform the miracle as described?

if zach or dan, or jews muslims, were to recreate this test, that god would bring fire just as elijah did?

zach and dan clearly disagree over fundamentalism vs catholicism
jews and christians disagree over the deity of christ
muslims and christians disagree over allah vs trinity

why not test these claims using a test as outlined in elijah?

i suspect nothing would happen. and if hitler were alive and had power over the jews, he'd subject the jews to what elijah did to the worshippers of baal.

and what would elijah think of irish woman voting to ratify a woman's right to an abortion for any reason, including dedicated the aborted fetus to molech?

i've met christians who claim jesus is prochoice and support's a woman's right to an abortion, and progay.

so if a woman has an abortion then burns the aborted fetus on an idol of molech, or church of satan, and she expressly dedicates her aborted fetus to molech, or satan, the same molech condemend in the old testament, would jesus approve?
the church of satan explictly supprot's a woman's right to an abortion. if a woman who is a satanist has an abortion to honor satan do prochoice christians think jesus approves that?

i regard jesus to be an imaginary being at this point. i don't understand why prochoice or progay christians don't simply abandon christianity.

78% of ireland when polled said they are catholic, but when it came to abortion 75% of irish women voted for yes to defeat amendent 8 thus legalizing abortion, in direct opposition to both catholic and evangelical teachings.

catholic church admits its influence and moral authority is waning.

i say i don't understand imagine if the question to jews was do you believe in jesus as your personal lord and savior and 75% of jews voted yes, just as 75% of christian catholic irish women voted in favor of abortion rights.

i don't know how an irish woman can call herself catholic and vote for abortion rights but whatever. i'm not a christian anymore.

i suspect if these prochoice progay christians if push came to shove, and jesus appeared to them, and told them the holy spirit inspired the bible and they are in error, mcuh as zach is telling dan, i suspect they would support abortion rights and gay rights over jesus.

while i support a woman's right to choose an abortion, in terms of what i consider normal, and sane, i actually grew up around prolife teens who lvoed jesus, who didn't do drugs or promiscuous sex, don't have tatoos or body piercings or dyed hair,  the girls accepted the patriarchy and were not feminists.  so for me this is normal. it's everyone else that's screwed up

dan and zach and the catholic college in this documentary don't have tatoos or body piercings, and talk about their oath of celibacy and pray for prolife at an abortion clinic

i thought A&E would continue this reality show, much like Survivor then and now have new seasons.

sadly A&E discontinued this show after the first season.

and it's not on any internet website like youtube

Lifetime did one called Sisterhood becoming nuns and BBC also did one on 2 women entering the nuns.

coming from a fundamentalist background, seeing teens and early twenties in catholicism and mormonism and jehovah witness and even christian like cults living their lives for this reality tv show is like jess of the triangle looking at other copies of jess on the Aeolus

it's like looking at an alternate reality of people from another dimension where some things are similar, but others different.