The murder of Jonbenet Ramsey was a thrill killing

detective pinkie wrote:
Hold yourself to the same standards - explain why an intruder would leave a body and a note, simply and believably

tawny wrote:
the fail in logic is astounding.

This is an example of NO IDI explanation. Why would an intruder hide her body? Seriously, please answer that for me. Why would an intruder hide her body rather than take her with them and dump her, or leave her where she was? Did an intruder seriously believe she would NEVER EVER be found inside the house?

Serious question: Why would an intruder hide her body in a dark room in a basement?

If he wanted to ensure it was found, why hide it? If he had to bug out, not taking the kidnapped-turned-murdered with him, why did he leave the note?

Delay discovery to what end? If he were bugging out, why would he care when, where, and how she's found?

It makes zero logical sense.

ukguy wrote:
Mama2JML,
Why does an intruder need to bother with a RN at all, all that sitting around authoring a RN, increases the risk of being caught.

No JonBenet in the house tells its own story, when followed up with a ransom phone call, no RN is required.

There is no IDI explanation forthcoming as to why the said intruder did not remove JonBenet from the house, which is just as inconsistent as any staged kidnapping leaving JonBenet in the house!

Intruder plan of action: Enter Ramsey household remove JonBenet, dead or alive, relocate to the boot of awaiting car, then simply drive away. Next day phone ransom demands. Total time to execute less than fifteen minutes!

nimyat of reddit wrote:
There is absolutely 0 reason to start to write a draft ransom note and then write the real thing and make it that ridiculously long.

If it was a premeditated kidnapping, ('hid in the house' theory) why the fuck wouldn't you bring a ransome note with you and why the hell would you start to draft one and then write one on paper found in the house.

If it was a burglary turned kidnapping, why would you start to draft a ransom note, and then write the real thing 4 pages long? You would scribble something like "I've taken your daughter, dont contact police, deposit money at this location at this time if you want to see her again." A panicked burglar does not sit and start writing about his 'organisation'.

A lot of people get bogged down in the details of the case, because it is a fascinating one and it is very interesting, but the ransom note is the most ridiculous thing ever and was totally written by one of the family in my opinion. They also completely over thought it - mentioning the fathers business, his bonus, writing 4 pages worth etc.

There's no way the family wasn't involved. As for which one did it, that is what is hard to prove.

docg wrote:

Questions

An intruder intending to express his anger or disdain for the Ramseys would have had no reason to write a meaningless ransom note. A kidnapper would not have left both the note and the body. If the parents were involved in this together, as so many assume, such a note might serve to throw the police off the track, but only if the body were found, days later, in some remote area. Or never found. With the body hidden in the house, where it is sure to be discovered, the note only creates problems for the Ramseys, the only ones who could "logically" have written it. If they were not planning on getting the body out of the house before the police came, then why would they write an obviously phony note?

Also, why was the note hand printed? Why not print it via computer? Or paste words together from newspapers? If the parents, or anyone at all close to the family, wrote it, they would be risking exposure for sure.

Answers

No intruder would have had anything to gain by writing the ransom note. No intruder would have any reason to write it. A kidnapper would have taken the child (or her body) with him. If something had gone wrong with his plan, he would have had no reason to leave a possibly incriminating note. Someone intending to frame John or Patsy would not have written the note in his own hand, as that would be evidence of an intruder. The conclusion is simple: there was no kidnapper. There was no intruder. The note must have been written by someone on the inside -- and it does indeed read like a staged kidnapping attempt.

wiki wrote:
A thrill killing is premeditated murder that is motivated by the sheer excitement of the act.[1] While there have been attempts to categorize multiple murders, such as identifying "thrill killing" as a type of "hedonistic mass killing",[2] actual details of events frequently overlap category definitions making attempts at such distinctions problematic.[3]

Those identified as thrill killers are typically young males, but other profile characteristics may vary, according to Jack Levin, director of the Brudnick Center on Conflict and Violence at Northeastern University. The major common denominator with those who commit thrill killings is that they usually feel inadequate and are driven by a need to feel powerful. "To a certain extent, they [thrill killers] may make their victims suffer so that they can feel good," said Levin. "Sadism is fairly common in thrill killings. The killer might torture, degrade, or rape his victim before he takes his or her life."[4] They frequently have an "ideal victim type" who has certain physical characteristics. [1][5]

Thrill killers have been frequently romanticized in films.[6

References

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Vronsky, Peter (2004-10-05). Serial Killers: The Method and Madness of Monsters. Penguin Publishing Group. pp. 196–. ISBN 9781101204627. Retrieved 18 April 2015.
Fox, James Alan; Levin, Jack (2005). Extreme Killing: Understanding Serial and Mass Murder. Sage Publications. pp. 51–. ISBN 9780761988571. Retrieved 18 April 2015.
Robinson, Bryan (March 18, 2004). "What drives thrill killings". ABC News.
Holmes, Ronald M.; Holmes, Stephen T. (2009-07-21). Serial Murder. SAGE Publications. pp. 123–. ISBN 9781412974424. Retrieved 18 April 2015.
Mayo, Mike (2008-02-01). American Murder: Criminals, Crimes, and the Media. Visible Ink Press. pp. 185–. ISBN 9781578592562. Retrieved 18 April 2015.

A Thrill Killer is a person who commits murder, not because of mental instability, the need for sexual satisfaction, or because they have any animosity for or sometimes even know the victim, but rather they want to feel the sheer excitement of killing people. The term thrill killer is usually associated with spree killers.

Thrill Killing Law & Legal Definition

Thrill killing is a term used to describe a premeditated murder committed by a person just for the sheer excitement of the act. The killer does not suffer from any kind of mental instability.

The term “thrill killing” is also used in the context of killing wildlife where animals are slayed for fun sake. Recently this disturbing phenomenon has become increasingly prevalent and the trend is gaining national attention. Thrill killing usually involve youths between the age group of 14 to 23. They gather in groups with the intent of killing as many animals as possible [Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources]. Wildlife conservation agencies/organizations have initiated steps to stop thrill killing of wildlife.

psy today wrote:
Killing Just For the Thrill of It All
Why some people kill again and again for kicks
Post published by Scott A. Bonn Ph.D. on Jan 23, 2014 in Wicked Deeds

Incredibly, there are people who kill simply for excitement. Killing others gives them an adrenaline rush similar to what you or I might receive from a roller coaster ride or a haunted house. Such individuals are usually psychopaths so they rarely, if ever, suffer remorse for their murders.

Serial killers of this variety are defined as hedonist thrill killers (1). Israel Keyes, the disturbed army veteran, who stalked and killed eight people across several states prior to his capture and suicide in Alaska in December 2012, is the most recent example of this type of serial predator.

The victims of a thrill killer are generally strangers, although the killer may stalk them for a period of time before the attack in order to fuel the excitement of the hunt. As explained by Peter Vronsky in his book Serial Killers: The Method and Madness of Monsters, thrill killers derive intense satisfaction from the process of murder—that is, the acts leading up to it—rather than the killing itself. They come to crave the euphoric adrenaline rush provided by stalking and capturing their victims. The primary motive of thrill killers is to induce pain or terror in their victims prior to killing them which provides intense stimulation and excitement (2). Stalking and hunting their prey becomes an addiction for them much like a narcotic drug.

Normally, the attack of a thrill killer is swift and there is generally no sexual aspect to the murder. Once the victim is dead, a thrill killer typically loses interest in him/her almost immediately. Therefore, postmortem mutilation or necrophilia is rarely engaged in by this type of serial killer. This pattern represents a stark contrast to hedonist lust killers such as the infamous Jeffrey Dahmer who love to engage in postmortem sexual activities (3).

Perhaps the ultimate hedonist thrill killer was the unidentified predator who called himself “Zodiac” and operated in Northern California during the late 1960s and early 1970s. The Zodiac terrorized the San Francisco Bay Area and aggressively tormented his pursuers throughout his crime spree. He targeted four men and three women between the ages of sixteen and twenty-nine in the San Francisco area from December 1968 until October 1969. Five of his victims died and two were injured in the attacks. He finally stopped killing for unknown reasons and his identity remains a mystery.

The killer gave himself the name Zodiac in a series of taunting letters that he sent to local newspapers in the Bay Area. The tremendous excitement that the Zodiac Killer derived from his murders is evident in the words contained in one of his letters. He wrote, "[Killing people] is so much fun. It's even better than killing wild game in the forest because man is the most dangerous animal. To kill gives me the most thrilling experience. It is even better than getting your rocks off with a girl." For the Zodiac Killer and other psychopathic thrill killers like him, the process leading up to the act of murder affords them the greatest satisfaction of their lives.

In my most recent book, I examine the twisted fantasies, desires and habits of notorious serial killers, including the “Son of Sam” and “Bind, Torture, Kill” based on my personal correspondence with them, in Why We Love Serial Killers: The Curious Appeal of the World’s Most Savage Murderers. To read the reviews and order it now, click: http://www.amazon.com/dp/1629144320/ref=cm_sw_r_fa_dp_B-2Stb0D57SDB (link is external)

(1)Holmes, R.M. and Holmes, S.T. 1998. Serial Murder, 2nd Edition. Thousand Oaks: Sage.

(2)Vronsky, P. 2004. Serial Killers: The Method and Madness of Monsters. New York:Berkley Books

(3)Holmes and Holmes, Serial Murder.

Dr. Scott Bonn is professor of sociology and criminology at Drew University. He is available for consultation and media commentary. His new book Why We Love Serial Killers will be released by Skyhorse Press later this year. Follow him @DocBonn on Twitter and visit his website docbonn.com (link is external)

ibid wrote:
   
Some notable thrill killers featured on the show are:

   Vincent Perotta ("Natural Born Killer") - A prolific serial killer and part-time hitman who killed hundreds of victims. Those most of the murders were mob hits, the remainder of the victims were killed only out of pure pleasure, without any evidence of animosity.
   The Mulford Family ("Open Season") - A family of killers who abduct motorists and then release them into the wild. They then hunt them down like animals using bows and arrows and enjoy the rush of the hunt. Brothers Paul and Johnny did not know their victims, and did not seem to have any animosity for them, hunting and killing anyone they could abduct.
   23rd Street Killers ("True Night") - A Los Angeles-based gang who killed Vicky Wright, the fiancée of vigilante Jonny McHale without any apparent animosity for her, and also presumably killing other civilians. However, very little is revealed about the gang, since the episode focused mainly on the murders committed by Jonny, so whether or not the gang actually did have any animosity for Jonny and Vicky, or any of their victims, for whatever reason, is unclear.
   Ryan Phillips ("3rd Life") - A high school dropout who, together with his accomplices Doug and Taylor, raped and tortured a girl for fun before strangling her to death. He then tried to do the same thing to the girl's best friend, but was killed by her father.
   Norman Hill ("Normal") - A disgruntled, white-collar office worker who began committing a series of "road rage" murders with a modified shotgun. He committed the murders in order to get the same high he got from his first attempted murder, although he apparently didn't have any animosity for his victims.
   Turner's Group ("Hopeless") - A gang of three construction workers who were responsible for the killing and torturing of several people, of which they randomly chose. Their goal in the murders was about committing pure violence simply for the fun of it.
   Raymond Donovan and Sydney Manning ("The Thirteenth Step") - A pair of lovers who were both molested by their fathers and as a result amassed a lot of anger. They took out this anger by dedicating the former part of their spree killing to murdering several people at gas stations (and, in one case, attendants of an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting), without animosity for any of them. However, unlike usual thrill killers, they targeted some of their victims, all of which angered them in some way, including their fathers.
   Izzy Rogers ("Hit" and "Run") - A bank robber, serial killer, and former assassin who, during a botched bank robbery and subsequent hostage situation, intentionally called police to the scene of the crime. This reason was cited to have been means to gain an adrenaline rush during the crisis, similar to a junkie. She would also shoot her victims in the stomach in order to ensure they had a slow death that she could take pleasure from.
   David Turner and Toby Whitewood ("The Apprenticeship") - A pair of killers following a teacher-student dynamic that murdered several prostitutes, taking the thrill in abducting, torturing, and murdering their victims.
   Alan Anderson ("Mr. & Mrs. Anderson") - A prolific serial killer and occasional serial rapist who killed several of his victims with the aid of his wife Judith so then both could be able to gain sexual pleasure from the murders, which would allow them to successfully have sex.
   David Yarno and Becker Chapin ("Jump Cut") - Two delusional friends and aspiring filmmakers who would abduct homeless people and murder them for scenes for a snuff film they plan on distributing to film festivals. While their motive was to gain fame and recognition from the film, a secondary objective was to receive the thrill from the kills.

Criminal Minds, Season 1Season 1

The Mont Vernon Murder was a thrill killing that attracted national and international attention due to the brutality of the killers' crimes, the apparent lack of remorse of the murder's mastermind Steven Spader, and the ages of the thrill killers when they committed murder.

On October 4, 2009, 17-year-old Spader and Christopher Gribble murdered Kimberly Cates and severely maimed her 10-year-old daughter Jamie during a home invasion in Mont Vernon, New Hampshire. Both victims were assaulted with a machete. Spader admitted to hacking Kimberley Cates to death with 36 blows to the head and torso.

A former Boy Scout, Spader was a high school dropout who passed the GED high school equivalency exam.[1] Spader had formed a club he called "The Disciples of Destruction" shortly before the murder, to whom he recruited his confederates. Spader designed a logo with the initials D.O.D. Spader told his recruits that the home invasion was to be a rite of "initiation" for club members.[2]

Both Spader and Gribble were sentenced to life in prison, while three other accomplices are also serving prison time.

Because of the U.S. Supreme Court's Miller v. Alabama ruling that circumscribed the sentencing of minors to life sentences, both Spader and Gribble were granted sentencing rehearings. Apparently content with his life sentence, Spader informed his attorneys during an April 2013 resentencing hearing that he did not want a reduction in sentence, describing himself as "the most sick and twisted person you'll ever meet."[3] He did not appear at the hearing.

The State of New Hampshire claimed that Spader lacked remorse, considering it "unnecessary" and a form of weakness, and likely would commit more crimes upon release from prison.[4]

His sentence of life plus 76 years was upheld. In May 2013, the New Hampshire Supreme Court allowed Spader to drop the appeal of his conviction.[5] His appellate attorney told the press that Spader did not want to appeal for "personal and moral reasons."[6] Spader was moved to a New Jersey prison in February 2014[7] and subsequently sustained injuries in a prison fight.[8] In October 2014, Gribble sought a reduction in his sentence based on his young age; the court did not rule immediately.[9]

Police: Newlyweds lure man through Craigslist for thrill killing

It isn't that the man had done anything wrong to infuriate Elytte Barbour and his wife.

The couple - married three weeks -- just wanted to kill someone together, police said.

And Troy LaFerrara, 42, happened to be the unlucky one.

The Barbours are accused of luring LaFerrara through a "companionship" ad on Craigslist, and stabbing and strangling him to death.

Barbour told police he and his wife had tried to kill others. But the plans didn't work out.

"This," said Sunbury Police Chief Steve Mazzeo, "happened to be one that worked."

The ad

LaFerrara's body was found in the backyard of a home in Sunbury, a small city about 100 miles northwest of Philadelphia, on November 12.

He had been stabbed 20 times and strangled, police said.

The last number dialed on his cell phone led police to the Barbours.

At first, the wife, Miranda Barbour, 18, denied knowing the victim. But presented with more and more evidence that police had gathered, she confessed.

According to the police affidavit, this is what happened:

Miranda Barbour told police she would use Craigslist to meet men -- "men who wanted companionship," and were willing to pay her for it.

On November 11, she met LaFerrara at a mall, picked him up in her red Honda CR-V and drove to Sunbury.

Elytte Barbour was hiding under a blanket in the back seat, he said. The couple had agreed on a pre-arranged signal so that he would know when "it was time to kill the victim."

The death

After driving for a while, Miranda Barbour pulled over. LaFerrara reached over and began touching her, she said.

She then took a knife from between the front seats and stabbed him, she said. Once, twice, three times.

She told police she doesn't remember how long she went on.

LaFerrara tried to fight her, but couldn't. Elytte Barbour had tied a cable cord around his neck to hold his head back.

As LaFerrara fought, Elytte Barbour said he held tight.

The discovery

While they drove around looking for an an out-of-the-way spot to dump the victim, LaFerrara was still alive.

He was "choking and gasping for air," Miranda Barbour told police. But soon, his breathing stopped.

The couple dumped LaFerrara's body by the back garage of a house in Sunbury -- which is where resident Brittany Settler discovered it the next morning.

"I was making myself a cup of coffee and when I opened the fridge to get the creamer out," the Sunbury resident told CNN affiliate WHP. "I looked out and was like, 'What is that?'"

She walked over to the garage behind her house and saw the body.

LaFerrara's face was purple. He had his keys in his hand. And there was blood everywhere.

The cleanup

With the body gone, the Barbours' stopped at a Wal-Mart, bought garbage bags, carpet cleaner, paper towels and seat covers. They needed to clean up the sports utility vehicle.

"She related that there was a lot of blood and she wasn't able to get it all," police said.

After they were done, they went to a strip club. It was Elytte Barbour's 22nd birthday.

The reaction

In Sunbury, violent crime is rare, Chief Mazzeo said.

"We don't usually have homicides up here. This is a relatively peaceful town," he said. "We average a homicide maybe every 18 months to two years, so this is unusual."

The killing was the talk of the town over the weekend.

"It's surprising, and it's shocking, and it's unfair," Sunbury resident John Mickey told affiliate WNEP. "The man had a family. It's devastating. It really is."

Nancy Sholley was LaFerrara's neighbor. He was married.

"I just really feel sorry for (his mother)," Sholley told the affiliate. "She's a nice woman. We have always thought a lot of her. Just really, my heart goes out to her."

"Evil is all over," she added. "It is."

The charges

The Barbours were married October 22, the husband told the Daily Item newspaper. The pair moved to Sunbury from North Carolina, where he worked as a dishwasher.

Strapped for cash, his wife would meet "unhappy men" online and charge up to $850 for "delightful conversation," he said.

It's believed that Miranda Barbour had Craigslist encounters with at least 30 different men, according to a source close to the investigation. Police are trying to find those men, the source said.

The couple face a host of charges including criminal homicide, which is similar to first-degree murder.

"The defendant stated that they committed the murder because they just wanted to murder someone together," police said, referring to Elytte Barbour.

Miranda Barbour was denied bail and has a court hearing set for December 20. CNN's calls to her public defender were not returned Saturday night.

Elytte Barbour has a court date set for December 17. He is not yet represented by an attorney.

"We started with nothing," Mazzeo told CNN on Saturday. "We started with a dead body with no ID on it, dumped in somebody's backyard, no relation to anything in the area or the people who lived there.

"To close out this particular homicide in three to four weeks, that's pretty impressive."

But their work is far from over. In the coming days, "we are going to try to resolve some of the loose ends," he said.

Among them is this: Miranda Barbour has a 1-year-old child. The couple has told police the child's father is deceased.

That death is now a part of the investigation.

Ohio man convicted for three murders in Craigslist job ad killings

Craigslist killer sentenced to death

"Thrill killing" gunmen receive life without parole

SAN DIEGO (CNS) - Two cousins convicted in the "thrill" killing four years ago of a 21-year-old developmentally disabled man near his National City home each were sentenced Friday to life in prison without the possibility of parole.

Humberto Galvez, 22, pleaded guilty to first-degree murder and lying in wait in the April 29, 2011, slaying of Jordan Hickey. Co-defendant Juan Ignacio Gomez, 24, was convicted at trial of murder and conspiracy to commit murder.

"It's senseless," Judge Jeffrey Fraser said as he sentenced the defendants. "For a thrill, the defendants took a life and destroyed a family."

Fraser said the victim didn't know his killers, noting that Galvez and Gomez took pride in the murder and bragged about it afterward.

"Both of you are the worst of the worst," the judge said, calling the defendants "cowards."

Jeannine Hickey said her son was murdered "in the worst possible way that anyone could be murdered."

She said her son was pushing his bicycle up a hill just minutes away from his home when Galvez shot him three times with a shotgun.

"You're despicable," the mother told the defendants. "My son was nice all the time. He was nice to everybody."

Jeannine Hickey urged Fraser to sentence the defendants to the maximum term allowable so they will never get out of prison.

"As a San Diego community, we cannot allow this," the mother said.

Sheriff's deputies responding to a report of gunfire about 12:30 a.m. found Hickey mortally wounded near his bicycle on a sidewalk alongside Grove Street in Lincoln Acres, a few blocks from his home in National City. He died at the scene.

Authorities said Galvez and Gomez were "driving around, essentially looking for someone to shoot," and just happened to pull up alongside Hickey, who was on his way home from the library when he was killed. Gomez was identified as driving the defendants' car.

Galvez and Gomez were arrested at a home in Chula Vista about a year later

SEATTLE - Thomas Dinh Bowman, 32, was sentenced to 29 years in prison Friday for the 2012 murder of a Seattle man.

A jury convicted Bowman of killing Yancy Noll in December. During the trial, prosecutors called the murder a random thrill-killing.

Dinh Bowman was convicted last month of first-degree murder in the August 2012 shooting of Yancy Noll, a wine steward who was driving home.

Bowman testified Noll had thrown a wine bottle into his convertible and hit him on the head in a road rage incident in north Seattle's Roosevelt neighborhood.

Prosecutors told the jury that Bowman was a student of murder who read manuals on how to kill and get away with it.

ne of three teens charged in the 'thill kill' of an Australian college student in Oklahoma last week has previously posted racist tweets on his Twitter account, according to a report.

The Daily Caller reported that the tweets belonged to James Francis Edwards, 15. One tweet from his account reads, "90% of white ppl are nasty. #HATE THEM." Another post read, "Ayeee I knocced out 5 woods since Zimmerman court!"

The Daily Caller's report noted that 'woods' is used as a derogatory term for white people.

Edwards and friend Chancey Allen Luna, 16, were both charged with first-degree murder as adults Tuesday and are being held without bond in the town of Duncan, which is about 30 miles southwest of Oklahoma City.

Bond was set at $1 million for 17-year-old Michael Jones, who allegedly drove the vehicle carrying the other suspects.  He was charged with the use of a vehicle in the discharge of a weapon and accessory to murder after the fact. Jones is considered a youthful offender but will be tried in adult court.

Jones named Luna as the gunman, police said.

Police Chief Dan Ford said the victim, Chris Lane, 22, appeared to have been chosen at random, saying in a variety of media interviews since Friday's killing that one suspect told officers that he and other boys were bored and that they followed Lane and killed him for "the fun of it."

Lane was on a baseball scholarship at East Central University in Ada, Okla., and was in Duncan, Okla., visiting his girlfriend when he was shot and killed. Some bystanders tried to perform CPR on Lane, but he was unconscious and stopped breathing before an ambulance arrived.

Lane's killing has attracted international attention about a month after George Zimmerman, a community watch organizer who fatally shot an unarmed black teen, was acquitted by a Florida jury in a racially charged case.

Rev. Jesse Jackson said in a tweet Wednesday that he was "praying for the family of Chris Lane. This senseless violence is frowned upon and the justice system must prevail."

Prosecutor Jason Hicks called the boys "thugs" in court, saying Luna was sitting in the rear seat of a car when he pulled the trigger on a .22 caliber revolver and shot Lane once in the back. Hicks said Jones was driving the vehicle and Edwards was in the passenger seat.

Edwards has had run-ins with the law previously and had been in court Friday, the day of the killing, to sign documents related to his juvenile probation.

Peter Lane, meanwhile, told Australian media there was no explanation for his son's death.

"It is heartless and to try to understand it is a short way to insanity," he said.

Lane met Sarah Harper, a collegiate golfer from Duncan. Friends expected them to marry after graduation.

"They were really a good couple and fun to be around," Newgent said.

Harper transferred to Oklahoma Christian University in Edmond during Lane's last year at Redlands. When Lane was looking to move from the community college to a four-year college to finish his degree, he wanted to stay in Oklahoma "because Sarah was in Oklahoma," Newgent said.

Lane and Harper had recently returned from a trip to Australia, and Lane was visiting Harper and her parents in Duncan, a south-central Oklahoma city of about 24,000. Lane was on a training run Friday when three teens chose him at random and shot him for "the fun of it," police said.