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Post by Mama2JML on Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:34 am

Danish Book Found
*According to Internet poster Braveheart (in a now-deleted thread), "a book written in Danish language by David Pilgrim found on Patsy's dresser (this would be one of two books, or both, written by Hilary Aidan St. George Saunders and John Leslie Palmer, British authors, writing under the pseudonym of David Pilgrim; "No Common Glory" & "The Grand Design", both available in German, English and Danish translations. They are classified as historical crime fiction novels. I don’t know the plot of these but my guess is that since neither John nor Patsy spoke Danish, and didn’t recognize the book, these have something to do with the crime and were left by the murderer."

*According to Internet poster Evening2, "a book was found on Patsy's dresser which she had never seen before nor had she ever read. The book was written in Danish. The title of the book is "The Grand Design", by David Pilgrim. David Pilgrim is one of many pseudonyms that was used by two authors. In 1998 police interviews, Patsy said neither she nor John spoke Danish and she did not know where this book came from.


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Re: Danish book on Ramsey dresser?

Post by Rupert1 on Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:37 am

1. Good you listed an item as a thread (eg here the Danish Book)

2. I don't know if it can be done, but what I would also like to see is something at the top of the thread that simply states the current consensus and source of fact. This would be done by the moderator. For example:

"Danish Book found on Patsy's side table by BPD: written in Danish which Ramseys don't understand and unknown to Ramseys. Title: The Grand Design, author: David Pilgrim (penname by Hiliary St George Saunders and John. Source: Patsy's deposition (date?)."

Now, if someone disagrees or needs to add a clarification, then they can comment in the thread. They should keep to topic as much as possible.

Note, the fact that the book was placed on Patsy's side table suggests that it might have been placed there while she slept. If it had been placed there before she went to bed, then she might have noticed and found it and intruder could have been discovered in action. If it was post crime planted there that morning, then it could not have been planned and counted on. I don't think the friends (even the Whites) had full run of the house, so if it was planted there that morning, then it must have been a cop. Of course this is deduction speculation, but having the item clarified, resolved and sourced makes it quick and efficient in discussing with others.
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Re: Danish book on Ramsey dresser?

Post by Mama2JML on Mon Oct 28, 2013 12:47 pm

11 PATSY RAMSEY: John Douglas I know.
12 TOM HANEY: Okay. How about everybody in
13 your room on your bedroom dresser there was a book by
14 David Pilgram (phonetic), a Danish book.
15 PATSY RAMSEY: Not good at remembering
16 authors.
17 TOM HANEY: I think this was in Danish. Do
18 you read different languages?
19 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
20 TOM HANEY: Would John, does he?
21 PATSY RAMSEY: No. It was written in Danish?
22 TOM HANEY: That is my understanding.
23 TRIP DEMUTH: Yeah.
24 PATSY RAMSEY: What kind of book?
25 TOM HANEY: I don't read it.

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Re: Danish book on Ramsey dresser?

Post by Mama2JML on Mon Oct 28, 2013 12:48 pm

I'm working on this one, Rupe. Take a look at the other thread & let me know (in this thread) if it looks okay.

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Re: Danish book on Ramsey dresser?

Post by Anti-K on Tue Oct 29, 2013 2:06 am

According to extensive research conducted by Braveheart: the book in question was never published in Danish...

See here, on this forum:
http://jbrwdi.forumotion.com/t304-the-danish-book-by-david-pilgrim?highlight=danish
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Re: Danish book on Ramsey dresser?

Post by Lynette 22 on Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:04 am

Anti-K wrote:According to extensive research conducted by Braveheart: the book in question was never published in Danish...

See here, on this forum:
http://jbrwdi.forumotion.com/t304-the-danish-book-by-david-pilgrim?highlight=danish
...

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Thanks, AK. What Braveheart finally concluded and which makes sense to me, was the following:


"So what does this mean?

1. That the book in question was never published in Danish, but Dutch and Swedish, and the BPD either mistook the written

text for Danish, or they intentionally mis-spoke to see if Patsy would spontaneously correct them, indicating a

familiarity with the book."




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Re: Danish book on Ramsey dresser?

Post by Lynette 22 on Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:38 am

Rupert1 wrote: Note, the fact that the book was placed on Patsy's side table suggests that it might have been placed there while she slept. If it had been placed there before she went to bed, then she might have noticed and found it and intruder could have been discovered in action. If it was post crime planted there that morning, then it could not have been planned and counted on. I don't think the friends (even the Whites) had full run of the house, so if it was planted there that morning, then it must have been a cop.
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Good point, Rupe! I'd never before seriously considered a cop, but you've gotten me thinking...

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